Naughty Nomad discovered that most Cuban girls are whores. I left these comments:
The fact that flat chested women can be sexy doesn’t mean that tits aren’t sexually attractive, or that some guys don’t screen for tits.
In SEA you can get girls without paying, however money sex and love are not considered distinct. Frankly I’ve gone local and now consider it an illusion to believe that youth-and-beauty is not a commodity.
Women know their value. They know they can trade their value for their benefit. In SEA this is not a dirty little secret. It’s not even an open secret. It’s just a fact of life. Money is part of the equation, blatantly and openly.
At this point I consider it bullshit manospherian posturing to create an artificial division between cads and providers. Money-and-power-and-social-status is exactly equal to breasts. It can be a cause of sexual attraction in and of itself, and can maintain a relationship when there is nothing else being offered.
Women aren’t men with vaginas. Their sexual attraction triggers are different. It’s not just that they fuck for food. Not JUST a matter of pragmatic sales of a service. Actual attraction is ALSO involved.
Manospherians hampsterbate about this with a zillion “ya buts”. Ya, but you don’t NEED money. Yup, and girls don’t NEED tits.
Having tits is better and more attractive anyway, and girls with tits can get more and better quality men.
Having money is better in exactly the same way. You don’t see many flat chested Penthouse centerfolds, nor are there many broke romance novel heros.
It’s not the case that SOME girls are gold diggers.
It’s just a matter of all the gold diggers mining for gold in different ways.
A lot of guys base their ego and self esteem on the way that they skin a cat.
For me sex is about ecstatic intimacy. Money helps to get more intimacy with a greater percentage of girls, and higher quality girls. I choose to allow egoic esteem to include finances. Money is not cheating. Money helps to skin the cat. Money is not separate from my fantastic ethereal self. Money is part of what I am; part and parcel of what I am to a woman.
Wishing it were otherwise is the same as a flat chested girl wanting to be loved for her true self.
Of course money can also get in the way of intimacy, but that’s due to mis-use. Tits can be mis-used too.
Update:
aoisdjf said: I think its a more western specific warning about how it’s more about status, fame, dominance, strength, violent and aggressive personalities than just the abstract concept of money. Too many stories of chubby mangina doctors marrying 5s and so on, because all they did is study and have a shit social life (no fame) and no game. Back in our tribal band days where nobody was really materially wealthier than the other women filtered out men based on those more social indicators. It’s the warning to avoid beta bux & alpha fux. An alpha fux & bux is every girls dream guy.
I think the tits analogy works well with what you describe. A girl with tits who neglects her personality won’t get the best men.
Manospherians tend to claim that money is less important than a fine outstanding rack on a svelte figure. Or worse yet, like an ugly girl want the opposite sex to be less “shallow”.
Now that I have money it’s much easier for me to have this world view. When I didn’t have money I still wanted to be esteemed highly, and so naturally preferred not to be esteemed for money. Now that I have it I’m happy to be proud and esteemed for it. I imagine girls with tits also are happy to feel proud of them, while flat chested girls prefer not to feel deficient.
Reality is reality regardless of how we feel about it however. Money is tits.
And monkeys trade bananas for sex, so currency is hard wired into humans. It’s not true that we ever had a pre-money phase of evolution. Men have always been valued based on resources of some sort. Money literally grows on trees, and always has throughout our evolution. There was never a period of time when resources were available equally to all men. That’s not even true for animals, who fight for territory and hierarchy in sharing hunting spoils. Women are experts at judging resources, and money is not a proxy for any old timey pre-money thing that can be replaced by confidence. Money is resources, and resources are resources are resources. Resources are valuable and always have been and have rarely if ever been equally available. Humans fight each other for access to them, and know how to hoard them, and have for plenty long enough to affect female evolution. Primates can recognize a banana when they see it, and they literally offer up pussy for bananas. Confidence might imply the ability to get bananas, but a banana is a banana is a banana.
It is what it is. You don’t have to make the sign of the cross and immediately turn your head when you see it. There is no ya-but about it. It’s right there in front of our faces. It is tits. Many men screen for tits. Many women screen for money. Most men prefer tits to no tits, all other things being equal. Most women prefer more money, all else being equal. Men and women with options are more likely to screen. Tits and money are a common pairing.
Guys and girls with no personality have nothing to do with the attractiveness and power of tits. Tits are still tits, and are one important variable that goes into our unconscious calculation of the persons overall level of attractiveness. Everybody loves tits and wants tits.
aoisdjf said:
I think its a more western specific warning about how it’s more about status, fame, dominance, strength, violent and aggressive personalities than just the abstract concept of money. Too many stories of chubby mangina doctors marrying 5s and so on, because all they did is study and have a shit social life (no fame) and no game. Back in our tribal band days where nobody was really materially wealthier than the other women filtered out men based on those more social indicators. It’s the warning to avoid beta bux & alpha fux. An alpha fux & bux is every girls dream guy.
xsplat said:
I think the tits analogy works well with what you describe. A girl with tits who neglects her personality won’t get the best men.
Manospherians tend to claim that money is less important than a fine outstanding rack on a svelte figure. Or worse yet, like an ugly girl want the opposite sex to be less “shallow”.
Now that I have money it’s much easier for me to have this world view. When I didn’t have money I still wanted to be esteemed highly, and so naturally preferred not to be esteemed for money. Now that I have it I’m happy to be proud and esteemed for it. I imagine girls with tits also are happy to feel proud of them, while flat chested girls prefer not to feel deficient.
Reality is reality regardless of how we feel about it however. Money is tits.
And monkeys trade bananas for sex, so currency is hard wired into humans. It’s not true in the that we ever had a pre-money phase of evolution. Men have always been valued based on resources of some sort. Money literally grows on trees, and always has throughout our evolution. There was never a period of time when resources were available equally to all men. That’s not even true for animals, who fight for territory and hierarchy in sharing hunting spoils. Women are experts at judging resources, and money is not a proxy for any old timey pre-money thing that can be replaced by confidence. Money is resources, and resources are resources are resources. Resources are valuable and always have been and have rarely if ever been equally available. Humans fight each other for access to them, and know how to hoard them, and have for plenty long enough to affect female evolution. Primates can recognize a banana when they see it, and they literally offer up pussy for bananas. Confidence might imply the ability to get bananas, but a banana is a banana is a banana.
It is what it is. You don’t have to make the sign of the cross and immediately turn your head when you see it. There is no ya-but about it. It’s right there in front of our faces. It is tits. Many men screen for tits. Many women screen for money. Most men prefer tits to no tits, all other things being equal. Most women prefer more money, all else being equal. Men and women with options are more likely to screen. Tits and money are a common pairing.
Guys and girls with no personality have nothing to do with the attractiveness and power of tits. Tits are still tits, and are one important variable that goes into our unconscious calculation of the persons overall level of attractiveness. Everybody loves tits and wants tits.
avd said:
Confidence-fueled game is the only legitimate tactic for pulling. Beyond physical appearance, all females are the same; there are no further quality gradients among them. /sarc
UCB said:
What’s funny is when the PUA “movement” first started to take off back in the early 2000s, this stuff was widely understood and accepted. I believe it was Mystery that popularized the idea that the likelihood that a girl would sleep with and stay with you was a function of how sexy and resourceful you were in relation to her other options. Guys would explicitly state how they used money (or the appearance of having it) to draw women in: paying cash for everything and flashing $100 bills everywhere, grabbing ATM receipts that showed high bank account numbers and leaving them casually strewn about their car or house, renting expensive condos in prime locations… all that kind of stuff. Game was just a useful crutch for guys who couldn’t attract women by other natural means.
But then The Game came out and everyone tried to cash in on its popularity by monetizing their pickup systems. Naturally, all the useful info went out the window at that point because… well who’s gonna pay some guy $2,500 to tell them that the secret to being successful with women is to work out more, dress better, take a higher paying job, and just say “Hi” to every halfway decent-looking girl that crosses your path? Instead we got thousand-dollar workshops, books, and DVD sets, and game got elevated to deity status so the guys at the top of the pyramid could get rich.
I still read from the manosphere since there’s some useful information scattered about, but these days many of them are just as ideological and delusional as the “blue-pillers” they’re constantly raging against.
bam said:
This might be relevant. http://wallstreetplayboys.com/what-is-game/
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thegreatshebang said:
Our minds are made of ideas. It’s hard to see the “totality” of an idea like “all women are good diggers” because we believe other ideas so strongly for such a ling time.
But my best Game idea that I use to keep myself on track is this:
Put any woman, no matter how hot or well cultured, into a situation with no resources and show up as the man to provide the resources and you will own her pussy. There are no women out of your league, just ones who want or don’t want your resources.
Put any womans
Renfrew said:
In olden days, I take it, many wives got kidnapped by invaders. They’d need to bond to a new husband. (Or something kind of like that, anyway.) So it seem possible that a certain flexibility about allegiances to male providers might be in the modern women’s DNA. Paired up with certain other qualities of the female nature, I’d say women’s capacity for fickleness is high — but I wouldn’t say they’re programmed to be outright fickle or shamelessly pragmatic, as guys who’ve had bad experiences (and may lack game or resources) sometimes tend to view it.
xsplat said:
Are women shamelessly pragmatic when it comes to romance?
Actually I think that’s built right into the decision making process even at the level of attraction. Women love pragmatically.
One woman asked me rhetorically “Who should I marry, the guy I love or the rich guy?”. She went on to marry the rich guy, and when I questioned her about it denied ever posing the question and claimed that she now loved the rich guy. But generally studies have shown that women orgasm harder for wealthier men and get measurably wetter for the same image of a man when the back story is told to her of him being wealthy. My mental map organizes the information such that wealth is one variable in favor of attraction. It makes a similar difference to attraction as tits do.
Vincent Vinturi said:
Very insightful Xsplat…
I just watched the new-ish Nat Geo show that’s come out, “Going Ape”.
And it demonstrated how sharing food (resources) increases sexual receptivity in primates and humans, alike. Male bonobos, in particular, offer food for pussy. And there ain’t a damn thing wrong with it.
Although, I think going through a phase of having no money is beneficial in the sense that you have to develop aspects of yourself unrelated to your resources per se. Then when you actually HAVE said resources, it’ll compound the effect.
Finally, fuck not having money. Money doesn’t buy happiness? Like hell it doesn’t! My definition of happiness is simple: enjoying my life, which includes fucking beautiful women, challenging myself, traveling, growing as a person via sports, music, business, etc. And money makes all those things possible on higher levels. Therefore, money buys happiness. 🙂
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mala said:
Money is tits… I’ll have to remember that one.
avd said:
One can read game blogs and learn how to exploit sexual market disparities, and thereby learn to get laid. No argument.
Is that what you, reader, really want? Is that why you read game blogs? On the surface, of course. However, consistently “getting laid” is at the core of the biological prime directive to pass along one’s genes, and therefore, being able to get laid in the ‘physical’ world validates to one’s other-than-physical self that one has accomplished enough other-than-physical growth in one’s terrestrial journey that one has become worthy of passing one’s genes (processed data) into the next generation, a problem that a majority in the manosphere have come to the manosphere to learn to conquer –a worthy drive, not to be dismissed. (‘Majority’ might only be 51%. For those of you more advanced who may take offense to the preceding phrase, please visit one of the non-xsplat popular game blogs and read the comments therein—I think you will get my point… and if you were offended enough to do that, then that preceding phrase probably didn’t apply to you, so please de-ruffle your feathers before reading on.)
From this point on, everything I write below is prefaced with: “beneath the surface.”
Back to my original question: Is that what you really want? Just to get laid? Consistently ‘Getting laid’ is merely a marker in one’s life path. Once one becomes proficient at this, it loses much luster. Yes, getting laid always holds the potential to be a great life experience, like building a mechanically sound bridge, or a good workout, or a good steak, no doubt. Does one base the meaning of one’s life on a good workout, or a good steak? A mechanically sound bridge (Golden Gate)? Perhaps. I fucking love all of those things, but none of them define me, any more than getting laid defines me. (Not that I built the GGB, but we all have our own personal GGBs.) A quality bife de chorizo is a quality bife de chorizo. A quality ass is a quality ass. Time spent savoring that bife de chorizo is fleeting. Life is fleeting.
After a long absence, I just checked a few posts on some of the popular game blogs, and quickly perused the comments. Same old, same old. Same handles, same bullshit, as if those SAME handles (not proprietors) were caught in a time loop, as if they’d learned nothing, as if they were progressing not at all, as if they had become COMFORTABLE defending their particularly chosen hill, as if those hills were where they had chosen to make their last stand… IN LIFE. I was really struck by this, hence this missive.
One thing it made me think about, among many things, is the reason why I like what x is doing here on his blog: FORWARD MOTHERFUCKING PROGRESS. I like the fact that when I invest my precious time to stay abreast of what crazy-fuck-x is up to, that, if nothing else, whenever I check in, it’s ALWAYS forward. What does that say? And some visitors from other MS sites might want to pay particular note to this: it says that he’s not trying to push any ideology on anyone. Rather, he’s pushing hard on his own individual other-than-physical path, and freely sharing his experience with the rest of us. Refreshing. It resonates with me, anyway.
Generally speaking, it’s important to debate minutia, in all aspects of life—that’s how progress is made. Selfishly, where begins the demarcation between debating minutia and advancing one’s fleeting existence? When will one be ready to TAKE a female (or three) and just get on with glorifying the miracle of life that one has been given? To be clear, I view the manosphere as an indispensable stage in modern times that young men must pass through before they go and fuck themselves over in a corrupt social and legal system, no doubt. But it should only take 1-2 years, depending upon the level of other-than-physical development from which one begins. New males to the discussion will begin as noobs, check. Hosts will perpetually serve the role of hosts, check. But, as for the consumers, especially the commenters, MOVE FORWARD mofos!
Okay, what’s the point of all this? The point is that you love your male existence above all else, and it’s important to acknowledge that. After your dick is satiated, your true life thrills come from solving problems that you deem worthy of solving; from building shit that you deem worthy of building; from blowing up shit that you deem worthy of blowing up; from art; from design; from mathematics; from science. The rewards of female companionship are a reflection of that. (Yes, first learn how to bang puss, and then get to this point… for those of you already there, read on.) Side note: females will worship you no matter what your locus, so long as you believe in YOU. That is how females are wired, which basically neutralizes the whole game thing. [With the caveat that you must believe in YOU. The other game blogs are good for that.] Yes, you must learn how to communicate with females, but you DO NOT have to change your inner core to get at it, despite what hard-sell sales pages tell you.
Where am I going with all of this? Well, I would only post this on x’s blog. Forget me. Reach down deep and ask yourself what really matters to you. It’s probably something substantial, something that you would want your grandchildren to discuss about you long after you’re gone from this world. Many of you are probably pissed off at the fact that the world doesn’t automatically acknowledge this about you. True. Welcome to humanity. However, don’t let go of that. Hold onto it like a carnivore would hold onto a hind quarter. You owe exactly NOTHING to ANYONE. Once you get down the basics, females will be the least of your worries. The more important consideration is: “Are you being true to yourself?” That friends, requires some serious introspection and imperviousness to the social milieu in which you find yourself. You have the inner fortitude to cut your own path… but it’s up to you to learn to believe that, and then to act upon it.
Peace, all.
PS-I’m ganking pages from your book on my site, x. You’re impacting the world.
Ken said:
The truth to that is that some men and women expect precious little from themselves and when they obtain it they glorify their achievement in their own minds. You can think about a soldier who survived a combat mission, achieved the objective, but lost a friend in combat. He may be walking down the street with his head held low and full of guilt. Meanwhile, another guy may be walking up the same street with his nose in the air, exuding supreme confidence. He placed a high score on his favorite x-box game. Who do you think the female is going to be attracted to? No doubt the x-box hero.