That being said, most of Nick’s trollery actually serves to make important distinctions.
ie.
->Shoring IS distinct Sugar Daddying or being a John. Not because of morals, but because a man’s self respect is important, even if it flimsy to the point of delusion.
->’Dating’ in the west is mostly shoring anyway, but that doesn’t change ^
->Convincing an Eastern European model to bear you children and stick around and be nice to them, raise them, and be nice, respectful to you IS distinct from either of the above, and requires a similar leap in ability and character from a man.
Yes, good distinctions. But I think Nick still displays a glaring blind spot. In this guest post by Jimmy https://krauserpua.com/2018/09/03/ask-jimmy-2/ the subject is of settling down after a career of daygaming. I commented:
The options for relationships are MUCH vaster than is generally discussed. The possibilities are MUCH bigger than is usually even hinted at.
I assume because it’s an overlapping, but still distinct and separate skill set. You can’t just transition out of day game into relationship game, as if it’s all the same thing.
Krauser appears to have bought into and built upon this very weird idea of alpha only fucks and only betas provide for a live in mate. His crew dress alike in costumes that highlight the bad-boy archetype, and we never hear him talk about him having any long term relationships with any of his conquests.
So he’s deliberately created this reality that deliberately excludes developing or even valuing long term relationship skills.
So it will be invisble to him the very concept of giving and receiving love, and MAINTAINING strong passionate long term love affairs.
So the skill sets required to have a live in and raise kids are completely outside of his radar.
Which directly relates to your comment:
The skills needed for shoring, for pickup, and for raising the next generation of men to be more than damaged goods, these skills are learned skills.
Pickup skills can be learned, and somewhat taught.
LTR skills are what my blog is mostly about. I write about them because I believe that they can also be somewhat taught.
They are overlapping but distinct. LTR skills include developing your self in ways that are not important for pick up.
Deliberate blind spot.
And they only pay attention to you after they see the way other people behave toward you. In theory cold approach can short cut past social proof and wealth and AMOGing and all the rest, but in reality all of the guys, myself included, [B]appear [/B]to only be able to approach girls with real success AFTER we earn the respect of our peers in some way.
People do fight for serotonin. But sometimes that fight can get not only a bit ugly, but a bit pathological. Not only not win/win, but more towards lose/lose.
An anti-Krauser website has a few people saying that Krauser can be prickly in person with other guys, and AMOG his own wings, or just generally bring down his friends state with arrogance. *(Update – see Krauser’s comment about that website.) Someone did contact me before with a 1st hand story that jibes with that, of Krauser seeming to value his pick up skills so much that he gives off the vibe of dick measuring about it in what would otherwise be pleasant company.
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We all rationalize our choices of what is the best mating strategy based on exactly what we are doing. Krauser does it, and I do it. But I think in the back of Krauser’s mind, he realizes that his mating strategy is bodering on pathological and doesn’t really measure up against mating strategies where people actually love and take care of each other, and want to see each other again. So I think he projects out his insecurities, with an offensive psychological defence.
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I’d love to make this comment a post, because I believe that Krausers overall attitude towards women could lead spergy men towards only developing a spergy approach to women; never learning to open their hearts and lean into their artistic sides. I’m of two minds – with one mind not wanting to be too dickish. I suppose I could re-write it in the abstract, but where is the fun in that?
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Although Nick disparages guys who talk about women for not being as good or interested in daygame style pick up, he also said in 2012 that daygame tends to fuck up your life and turn you into an narcissist who can only attract fucked up people. https://krauserpua.com/2012/03/03/narcissism-and-codependency-in-the-puahb-dynamic/
More recently Nick has been thinking about converting to Christianity, and said:
If I do make a conversion to Christianity, I’ll be withdrawing my key pick-up products from the market, so if you want *******, 2019 is the time to buy them.
So he clearly is of two minds of the value of the lifestyle that he’s devoted so many years to, and of the value of that lifestyle to others.
Which makes it all the more weird that he is so arrogant about it. Not weird, actually. It’s just a common divided brain. Not integrated personality.
I keep talking over and over about unifying the mind through practices designed to do exactly that.
I think we can see a good argument here for why that’s fucking god damned important, exactly and especially regarding dealing with the women in our lives.
daysofgame.com said:
Hmmm. Interesting comments.
I am an incredible fan of Krauser’s. He is a first-rate mind in game/seduction… but you are dead on when you say you don’t really hear him talk about any kind of extended relationships. Or matters of the heart. That is a not a criticism. Just an observation.
He has girls he sees repeatedly, when he is in their country. He has had girls fly into England to see him. He has been a role model for me, in both those areas. He is not necessarily one/done. And he has had skype calls with girls, reading them stories, etc. There is this side to him.
I also know a story of his where he went on six dates with a virgin, never fucked her, and talked positively about the experience. He really liked dating her. That is healthy… I am often the same.
He is also quick to say that dating a girl a few times before you have sex with her is normal (he is in contrast to the “must fuck first night” and even makes fun of that POV). That is a rare POV to defend (even though that is exactly right).
So… as a “alpha” type goes (and he calls himself sigma, but similar to alpha in terms of fast sex), he is more “normal” and healthy and girl-friendly than a lot of guys out there. Daygame Infinite had a lot of “softer” Krauser as well.
I also think he is a “man’s man.” And a lot of his POV is from his “lockerroom” voice. There could very well be more to Krauser when he is not playing the role of one of the best daygamers in the world.
With all that said… I’m not sure Krauser wants more than what he has now. Which is valid. And if he wanted it, he has the mind (if not the heart) to start on that path.
Moreover… I feel for him. As daygame has been his compass for years. And he has outgrown it. And I wish for him to find a pastime to unify his psyche.
I owe the man so much… I wish him the best.
Renfrew said:
He’s an innovator, a ballsy womaniser, a good writer, a cad, a showboater, and — this is really important — a daredevil social scientist adept at gleaning insights from firsthand experience, and a sincere teacher who’s skilful and diligent in sharing what he knows. It’s fun and illuminating to read about his adventures. A world without Nick and his efforts would be less colourful and less well-informed.
Yet he’s also a bit of a dick and a misanthrope, capable of breathtaking lapses into ill will. (Although that hater site you link to is pretty low-level trash, let’s be honest.) I’m not sure “locker room bravado” quite covers Nick’s sins here, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
And he has some blind spots: there are some “ways of being” with women that seem to be beyond his ken, and some ways of seeing the world that… well, he doesn’t see, or *does* see and doesn’t hesitate to express condescension about.
Broadly speaking, he thinks if you’re not pounding the street gunning for “younger hotter tighter” then you’re not a true Scotsman. And if you’re not a true Scotsman AND you are peddling products or advice, then in addition to being a pudknocker, you’re also some kind of scammer.
Is that a distorted, oversimplified way of viewing life? I’d say so. Is it really his stance, or is it a persona? I don’t know.
Nick’s a brilliant original… self-made rockstar. And as David Lee Roth said about rockstars: “Nobody well-adjusted ever got my job.”
krauserpua said:
Tread carefully, pal. The doxxing website you linked is written by this guy: https://krauserpua.com/2018/04/08/the-daygame-new-blood-2-alpha-man-training/
He wrote it directly in response to my exposing him as a fraud (literally five days later), then tried to link it on a dozen people’s blog comments. He’s given it up, defeated. Unlike you, they saw it for what it was. Also unlike you they didn’t republish photos of daygamers who are NOT public figures and have NOT consented to have their images publicised when stolen from my private Instagram.
They also knew that ONE PERSON saying- the same person who has been stalking me for several years and repeating the same thing in the same words on forums, other blogs, and one-star reviewing my books- shit about me is not “has a few people saying” and would not repeat him as a credible source.
You are entirely welcome to your opinion of me but you ought to have known you’ve crossed a line here. You know that site is full of shit and chose to elevate it anyway. I’ve now informed you what type of man you are giving credibility to.
Your response will determine how I treat you in future.
xsplat said:
My mistake. I’d assumed all were public figures, without looking into it. Image and link deleted.
krauserpua said:
Okay, no harm no foul. Thanks. I repeat, you are welcome to your opinion of me. It was just that doxxing that I objected do.
The Red Quest said:
If I do make a conversion to Christianity, I’ll be withdrawing my key pick-up products from the market
So he’s basically modern St. Augustine, then?
xsplat said:
I read the Wikipedia page on St. Augustine, and a few links from within that page, but still don’t understand the reference.
Alchemist said:
St Augustine is most famous for his work Confessions… (I don’t recall exact title, I haven’t read it.) . Apparently in this book he recounts his sinful past – including notable sexual immorality – and his journey to faith through Christ.
krauserpua said:
That comment of mine was facetious, however it carries an inkling of truth. I consider my “player’s journey” to be finished. It was a great ride but I’m now trying to clarify my objectives for the next stage of my life, and I haven’t yet figured it out. There’s far more detail in volumes 5 and 7 of my memoir, which I’ve written but not yet published.