Rollo says that it’s impossible to be in a loving long term relationship. You can either pump and dump, or be a doormat who is not respected.
Over and over he talks about alpha fucks and beta bucks, and how it’s completely impractical to the point of basic impossibility to be an alpha provider.
Take a look at any of the old MGTOW forums. They are a self selected community of total losers at life, whose only purpose to talk to each other is to make each other feel just a little bit better about their position at the bottom of life’s barrel. The way they feel better is by constantly pointing fingers away from themselves – it’s everyone else who is stupid and doing it wrong. They aren’t the losers – the people who think they can win at relationships or are winning are the red and blue and purple pill losers.
Rollo gathers around him guys who have recently been burned at relationships, and teaches them that it wasn’t their fault at all. He creates an unfalsifiable world view that excludes all possible other views, and gathers together a community that always lets him carve and serve each turkey slice from the head of the table of his king-of-the-losers autobiographical-book club.
Look at Roosh’s communties. Very similar – very tight knit world views – however theirs is mostly a rigorously moderated echo chamber built around the personality cult of his flawed Cluster A paranoid-and-shizoid personality style.
It’s extremely sick, how a man can talk for years and years about his own life, and pretend that he’s actually talking about relationship dynamics. As if the more believers to his church he can convert the more true will be his god and the less pathetic will be his own life. There will never be a lack of ready and willing true believers – they come from the ranks of the miserable. Church can be rewarding and helpful, if the community focuses on helping each other, and not on an afterlife and preventing current pleasures. Rollo slyly and passive-aggressively focuses on preventing lasting mutual loving relationships. Sicko cult leader, using people who are having a tough time to bolster his social and financial positions, while burying his failures. Twisted fuck.
Rollo knows NOTHING about maintaining strong passionate love affairs, year after year. NOTHING. And he convinces the world that the reason his marriage and love life suck are because women are hypergamous. It’s not about him and his life, it’s about stages of mating, hypergamy, dual mating strategies, and everything else that is out of his ability to control or manipulate.
I wrote this the other day, originally at the bottom of this post:
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Just talk about what it feels like to your own cock in your own wife. What’s with all these third person abstractions? You have totally lost track of what it even means to have a self. You are lost in a world of internet abstraction, a world of feedback from losers, where you seem to be king.
Are you king to your wife, when your cock is in her? Or do you need to retreat to your laptop to feel like a king?
Everybody has the right to talk about and interpret their own experiences.
Critics live in abstractions, and distance themselves deliberately, because no one likes pain, and an abstract world might be less painful.
Sure, Rollo.
It’s also anhedonic. Talk about your own fucking life, directly – you ain’t god with some ultimate viewpoint. You only have your own life – that’s it. Put your cock into the first person gonzo story.
Everything that you’ve ever written is not a cultural critique or an analysis of the nature of men and women. Everything that you have ever written is gonzo. You just refused to put yourself into the narrative.
And it’s a story of a guy who learned a bit, and gave up. A guy who thought that higher education was a thing, and that he had it.
You are a guy who refuses to put himself into the gonzo narrative. But every thing sentient puts you into that first person; even every last disinherited part of your loneliest forgotten self. And me; I put you into the gonzo narrative, Rollo Tommasi. It’s you who writes that, and that’s your personal first person lived life, on virtual paper. It’s not third person. Writhe and squirm and dissimulate – everywhere you go, there you are.
Your narrative really sucks, Rollo. It’s the narrative of your own personal life, and it’s not meta in the way you wish it was. Unless you want to identify with people who share your story.
Your story is small and undeveloped. You can have a next chapter. Just do it. Just have a next chapter. Or at least stop depressing everyone with your sad life. Stop telling other people that your life is the story of the limits of all their possible depressing futures. Mr. Meta.
If you want to talk about spreading a realistic message about improving happiness, start by feeling it. Then talk about how it feels, personally, contextually, in taste feeling form sound and current perception. Be there, now, and share that. Meta man.
Keyboard jockying about losers? Without knowing or caring or telling them how to feel and share love?
You are the losers you talk about, Rollo. Every post you make is gonzo, for years and years and years, to everyone else but you. It’s obvious that you are a reporter embedded in your own life, talking about your deeply personal lived experience. It’s always obvious. It’s so clearly about your own marriage.
There are websites that give a readout of the most common words used on web pages. Rollos is what you would think it is. It’s so predictable it’s like an insane robot from a nightmare. Alpha Hypergamy Bucks!
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Why should I pretend to be dispassionate, as if we are all just disengaged from watching a distant TV set?
When people comment on forums, are they disengaged?
No, from what I see, people believe and are affected.
Lovers try to be distanced, but men and women both can’t help but be inextricable from their love affairs.
Propoganda is a science and art, and it works. Words hypnotize.
You are reading propoganda on other sites, and on my site.
It’s a real war – it’s a real thing. People are really affected. There is less distance between you and your computer screen than you imagine. This is a meme war, and the end result is overall ability to accept personal happiness and work towards mutual and my own happiness.
Terrific write-up. I agree with this and upon reading it realize why I never go to his blog anymore. In addition to what you wrote, his writing is also joyless and humorless. His worldview is that having a love life is a backbreaking slog that required work, work, work 24/7 — and you’ll probably still fail because hypergamy.*
The difference between Rollo and Roosh/Heartiste is that the latter two leaven their words with a sense of humor and sense of the absurd. But Rollo comes off like an angry gym teacher who wanted to be a football player but is stuck teaching dodgeball to smelly middle schoolers.
I was in my teens and twenties once. Dating was fun. Relationships were a blast. Sure, I made mistakes. But I had a lot of success without any of the “knowledge” passed along by his blog. Had I been reading his blog at 18, it’s doubtful I’d ever have had a fraction of the success I did because I would have had the wrong attitude and worldview to succeed at much of anything.
* Hypergamy and the 80/20 split are for the most part figments of the manosphere’s imagination. There is some truth to both concepts, but applying them everywhere all the time is like trying to drive “the speed limit” on all roads all the time. Not logical, helpful, or even safe.
> his writing is also joyless and humorless
Yes. And that is not a small thing. That is not a “stylistic choice.” It’s core to him, and what he preaches.
If you follow his path… be prepared for “joylessness.”
Perfect critique.
I never thought much of Rollo’s writing to be honest. It is very dry and humorless and his followers do seem to be a bunch of angry guys. It reads like a chemistry textbook and is simply too tedious for me to get engaged by it. I think Roosh is just as humorless unfortunately. Whenever I read his blog, you can really see that he is a lost soul, just meandering along with no purpose. Neither of these guys are well adjusted, happy guys and their followers are much the same. Roosh’s forum these days in particular is really attracting some dregs between the white nationalists and the nihilistic hedonists who’s only purpose in life is scoring one night stands.
These joyless, miserable men are guys I quite frankly want nothing to do with.
John Cleese talks about extremism as a manifestation of Cluster A personality disorder. Both paranoid and schizioid are cluster A personality disorders.
Roosh is paranoid schizoid and through both heavy handed banning and overmoderation, plus attracting like minded followers of his thoughts, his remaining commenters skew disproportionately towards cluster A.
“It’s all OTHER people’s fault we aren’t getting the women we deserve!”
Lol. There’s much to be learned from all types of men and nice alike.
*mice
This is a comment that I think fits into the basket of “can’t we all just get along”. It’s a non-comment. A self-entardation meme-hammer.
Polemic is polemic is polemic. Why do you need to soften the edges? Make things all warm and fuzzy, and feel good and everyone gets a gold medal just for participating?
No, some things suck. Some things suck less. Some exact specific things that rollo says are toxic, some exact attitudes that he has are toxic.
Don’t bring your photoshop smudge brush here and blur everything into a gigantic smear of “it’s all good, man”.
I used to sell wares on Grateful Dead tour, and the dreadlocked hippy wanna-bes tried their best to share a philosophy, that revolved around the saying “It’s all good”.
Fucking idiotic twats. When I could be assed about it, I’d confront them. No, it’s not all good. Fucking dimwit, non-confrontation is not a god damned philosophy!
Fucking hippies. It’s been studied that too much LSD makes people passive and afraid of confrontation. I keep losing the link, but I found the study on erowid.
I don’t suffer fools gladly, and people who think that confrontation is a meltdown have never witnessed a debate with a participant like Christopher Hitchens.
It’s NOT all good. No, we can’t just learn from everyone. People get sucked into entire world views, and YOU KNOW IT.
To get unsucked, you need to be vigorously shaken, sometimes. How hard is it to stop being Catholic, for instance? It’s all good? Just pick and choose the good that the good Pope says, and ignore the rest?
YOU KNOW very well that it doesn’t actually work like that at all.
World views are cohesive, and swallowed cohesively. People create authorities and swallow up everything they say, because they imbue no only specific ideas with validity, but the speaker of the ideas. YOU KNOW THAT.
Rollo’s food is laced with life sucking toxin, and so on the whole, his food is toxic. You can’t pick and choose from Rollo, practically. Because 99.999 percent of people who read him swallow all the intenesely life harming garbage – as a specific example the HIGHLY toxic meme that alpha fucks and beta bucks.
I’ll drop this here again:
http://patstedman.com/2017/11/22/what-is-upstream/
Ok better yet then. You can learn a lot from an idiot. I read Rollo once. No, I learn a lot from you.
Also, speaking of toxic; I was offered LSD once and learned that it had rat poison in it.
And what’s more, if you want to understand what a book teaches, don’t just read the original text.
Ask readers of the book what it means. Then you’ll get the most important message – not what the book says, but what it is being read to say.
Anyone can paint a picture of a pear, but if everyone sees an apple, then the picture is of an apple.
Want to understand Rollo’s teachings? Examine his comment section. Compare his commenters with other slices of society.
They are for the most part MGTOW losers who have very little clue at how to date successfully, let alone how to maintain long term passionate relationships with attractive women. Which could be a fine starting place, yet nearly to a man they want that to be their ending place.
THAT is what Rollo teaches. The maintenance of class immobility. Alphas are alphas and betas are betas, so it’s not really your fault – it’s womens fault for wanting an alpha. And if you ever do become alpha, you’ll realistically have to pump and dump.
The passive agressive mind-fucker keeps pretending that he’s amoral and agnostic and just describing a real world.
No.
He’s creating a diorama. NOT describing a world. His world is a fucking cartoon with gigantic meter wide pixels and only 4 colors used in the pallate. It’s a diorama that barely resembles life at all. And it’s all due to his lack of real world experience in relationsihps, combined with what experience he has coming from an underdeveloped place, combined with his confirmation bias of only accepting input from betas and losers at the game of relationships.
His view is not agnostic in the least – it’s the view of a loser, to losers, who swallow it up thankfully, as it absolves them of any responsibility or hard work to change their own circumstances.
All I know is that I can’t make money, or get bigger muscles from reading blogs. I’m glad someone is here to tell me what I missed and why.
Xsplat, so do you disagree with the following assumed facts taught on rollo and similar blogs:
– Mens value system is based on fertility and to a degree good mothering ability.
– Womens value system is based on both genetics and resources. Women might have to fuck multiple men to get all needs met. Genetics are almost always prized higher than resources except in dire circumstances ( alpha fucks, beta bux. provider guys getting treated poorly and side alpha bad boys getting treated well. ).
– Social pressure and training during upbringing exists to limit a womens desire to always upgrade to the bigger better deal ( Hypergamy ) . In a society/location with no social pressure or rules per say, a women will fuck/cheat with multiple men simultaneously to procure maximum resources and the best genetics. There is little chance of a relationship due to the women being able to freely roam with no danger of repercussions.
– Love is just another word for need. When women say I Love You what they really mean is I need you. You should also add on to the end of that sentence “right now”. So .. I love you becomes “I need you – right now”.
– Love is not much different from a drug addiction. It comes about to keep two people together for reproductive purposes.
Do you think Hypergamy is fake? Do you think the way the manosphere breaks down how men get ranked /valued and how the location/society effects that is false?
Most of what rollo talks about is logic/fact based and seems very low on feelz or bullshit so Im curious to see where you disagree with him besides the very general disagreement of “rollo says relationships don’t work but I think they do”.
Also as far as I can tell you were the original author to speak about how “Men believe that love matters for the sake of it. Women love opportunistically.” I think rollo ran with this and expanded on it – basically showing women just love opportunistically and once your value is exhausted or gone she will immediately exit.
Hi Jack.
I appreciate the careful thought that you have put into your questions.
Please read this and confirm and then I’ll take the time to respond in detail.
https://xsplat.wordpress.com/2015/08/04/100-of-my-comments/
It’s about some major disagreements I had with his philosophy in 2014. I stopped commenting after the exchange, and if you make it to the bottom of the post, you’ll see why.
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Comment update:
I have a lot of ideas about your questions, however after years of internet discussions have long ago come to realize that very often people are completely fixed in their views, and only use what looks like rationality in order to either confirm their confirmation bias or dissimulate.
That’s why I asked you to put in a little bit of work to test your intellectual sincerity.
However for now I’ll just cut to the chase, and contrast the gist of all your questions, with the gist of my post about how to give and receive love
https://xsplat.wordpress.com/2018/09/14/how-to-give-and-receive-love-with-a-pretty-young-woman-habitually/
I’ve also made many posts that uses the quick shorthand term of “losers” to categorize Rollos commentors and the very closely related MGTOW movement.
I’ll be happy to expand on the argument that those who refuse to give and receive love, and use all sorts of rationalizations and dissimuations to avoid it, are losers.
And I’ll be more than happy to explain in 100 ways why love is essential to basic human well being. And that it’s attainable, sustainable, healthy, noble, and far above risk in reward. And I’d be happy to go into great detail about what love is and can be.
If you are worth talking to. Most people are not.
We are all a product of our reference experiences. Your questions would lead me to believe that if I were to describe my life’s experiences that you would have no option but to discount and re-write them, and to explain them away in ways that make me completely deluded to believe that my personal experience actually happened and is happening.
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And I understand the sneering disdain that I not only don’t try to hide, but try to make as obvious as possible. I think it’s good and appropriate. I’ve seen myself get fat and unattractive. I’ve seen myself get drunk and treat people poorly. And I’ve seen myself diet and get fit and learn how to behave better. I’ve seen myself being completely unskilled at relationsips, and I’ve seen myself grow charming and fun and a respected authority in my relationships whom girls routinely sing loving love songs for – for year after year. I’ve seen myself suck at sex, and be great at it. I’ve seen myself lazy, and I’ve seen myself keep trying to get back on the horse.
I have every right to be disgusted by what is disgusting in myself, and to point it out when I see the same in others.
And what’s far far worse than mere personal laziness (everyone has the right to personal ruin and suicide, along with the ridicule that they should expect for following a path to ruin) is TEACHING others to give up. That they SHOULD give up, because relationships – the most noble of all possible endeavors – are low reward at best and more than likely dangerous.
When someone projects out his own inadequacies onto society as a whole, and then sets himself up as an authoritative teacher, that is, in a word, EVIL.
Im going to write a much longer and detailed reply once I fully digest the poats youve laid out. But… as a quick segwey – do you think your opinions are biassd by your current dating environmemt and Rollo simply is speaking based on the environmemt in USA? Wouldnt it be fair to judge street survival tips based out of Bahgdad circa 2005 when your own opposing tips are durived from say NYC.
Blackdragon lives in the US and gives advice about maintaining open long term relationships, and has done so for many years. I don’t share his psychological makeup and so would and could not share some of his dating strategies (for instance I can get very jealous), however from my very long and detailed experience I will say that I judge his blog to be his real truth, and his system works exactly as he says, for him. That’s a stake in the heart of your argument right there.
There are countless millions of men in healthy loving long term relationships in the US.
There are pimps in the US.
There are differences between countries, and some basic human nature similarities.
If you want to change the subject to be about risk versus reward, then I’ll simply point out that every risk you mention can be mitigated.
And if it can’t, why the hell would you not simply MOVE?
Here is a quote about an MGTOW commentor that I found amusing:
People can be, by nature and nurture, overly risk averse, and make this trait a habit that becomes an excuse to avoid personal development and confrontation.
Sometimes it’s better to risk losing everything, rather than live a shit life that isn’t even worth living at all. Because if things really do go sour after losing at a really bad risk:
There are things worse than death. And a timid life lived in fear of love is one of them.
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But I really think it comes down to apples and oranges. The title of this blog post is:”If you respect Rollo Tomassi you have been brainwashed into accepting total loserdome for the rest of your life.”
for a reason.
Because he is selling the cohesive world view of an apple, and to be happy and successful at life you need the cohesive world view of an orange.
He does not have the personal lived experience of becoming a highly charismatic man able to continually charm his woman to maintain her respect and devoted passionate lustly love, and his own authority and boundaries.
It’s a very long arduous road to become such a man.
(There are videos of Rollo online, and you can judge for yourself by his body language if you think he has lived a life working towards such masculine coherent charisma. I think his facial expressions are sometimes smarmy and effeminate and that he is not taking care of his physique. He does not strike me as a dominant sexy man who a woman would naturally give her best to, year after year. His body and facial language don’t give me the opinion that he values being such a man, or knows how to get from A to B, or even what B is.
I think this is a perfectly fair argument to make, because Rollo once posted a video of an Autralian teen named Cody, and we were to judge by his body language and the coherent world view that it expressed (his attitude) that he was an Alpha. He referenced the video and his argument many times.)
Only AFTER you are such a man, will you even be able to comprehend that the world could possibly be an orange.
But BEFORE you are such a man, you really really really NEED to KNOW that being an orange is a fucking option.
Rollo says it’s not even an option.
Which is why he is, without use of hyperbole and quite literally, an evil man causing tremendous social harm. Who attracts losers and sells loserdome for personal and social profit.
Indo has it’s fair share of similarities at the top end, if not more extreme. You’re dealing with women that have been sent abroad to ‘study’ so they are not only experiencing the same culture in the West but they are often spoilt and indulged by their parents and pass those expectations onto the men dating them.
Do you think Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks is completely fake?
I think a better name for it would be the lover / provider spectrum. ( I think Nick Krauser started this naming convention ). Here is a link to a graphic that gives a broad outline of the spectrum.
https://krauserpua.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/overkill-loverprovider-1.jpg?w=1024&h=576
Now back to my question – rephrased. Do you think the lover / provider spectrum is bogus?
Now lets assume you agree at least somewhat that every man falls into a slot somewhere along the spectrum. Do you think men on the provider side of the spectrum get treated worse than the men on the lover side of the spectrum?
Do you think maybe Rollo is talking about beta bux and alpha fux over and over and over again until he is blue in the face ( and warning about beta bucks more than not ) because in USA being a provider is basically worthless. I won’t get into all the reasons here – maybe we can debate that later. But in USA and most highly developed western countries , if you fall into the provider area of the spectrum your treatment is going to be nowhere near as good as if you land on the lover side. The relationship may last LONGER – but its going to be SHITTIER. So you can have a long shitty relationship or a short but passion filled and nice one.
There is no Long and Good. Rollo is stopping people from having the wrong expectations and then being very sad when the expectations are not met. That is the whole core of the red pill / manosphere. Realistic expectations. There is no one size fits all since geography is destiny and each area on earth has a different spin on things.
This also brings me to your example of BlackDragon. Im very familiar with his system and message. His system looks “successful” vs your beef with Rollo due to some clear cut facts and choices of words.
1. Blackdragon clearly states there is NO SUCH THING as monogamy right off the bat. This is the foundation of everything he teaches.
2. He also has a very distinct system of categorizing women he fucks. One aspect of the system is to basically limit the chances of pair bonding with women who he , if being realistic and pragmatic vs romantic and idealistic, knows will just lead to basically heartbreak/butthurt.
For example if he meets a very HOT 20 year old wild girl that fucks like a champion.. – he will slot her into fuck buddy only. She can see him 1x a week and NEVER sleep over. No cuddling or going on dates or “bonding”.
If he meets a 27 year old nurse that is cute , he might slot her into “Women I’m Dating”. He might let her sleep over sometimes and he’ll go on dates with her 1x a week.
He meets a 37 year old business owner something something whatever , he might actually date her and let her get close to him. Anyone in the manosphere can tell this women has the least dating prospects of all of them ( just look at her age ). If he pair bonds with this women it has the highest “chance” of not causing him butthurt in the future. He still follows other protocols to never let her have any kind of hand or leverage in his life and he says he will never get legally married – but he will allow himself to fall in love with her… somewhat.
And now the kicker – another aspect of his system is – ALL these women are allowed to fuck other men. He assumes it from the get go and just accepts it. He just knows that his 37 year old has the least prospects and has the least inclanation to go around fucking tons of men for shits and giggles. She might fuck 1 other guy a year but the 20 year old is hooking up at college parties 5 times a month or maybe has 2 alpha sport fuck guys she sees on rotation.
This is all extremely pragmatic, pre meditated, and facts logic come first. Its a complete system.
If he were to have said wow this 20 year old is HOT and I love being around her.. he would eventually create a bond with her that will inevitable be broken and lead to all sorts of bad feelings and turmoil.
Rollo is saying the same thing pretty much just using different words.
You are dating all these very young women and you also don’t want them to fuck other men. You don’t really follow BD system at all – and the love BD talks about is completly different than the love you talk about. His is calculated and tactical. Yours is more “real” and without rules ( you fall in love with young women that are hot and listen to your gut instead of a rule book or planned system ).
Your version of love said another way is a guy gambling or playing stocks on intuition , black dragon is investing with a very ridged system and emotion is not part of it.
I’m starting to ramble and stray from the topic and questions at hand so I’m gonna take a break.
Jack, I had asked you to read my 100 comments on Rollo’s blog before I replied.
And yet now you ask me if I believe that alpha fux and beta bux are not dynamics that happen.
I’m pretty sure that I spent 10 or maybe 20 comments repeating over and over that the lover dynamic and provider dynamic are real, but that people keep refusing to use the word AND. Alpha fucks and beta bucks AND alpha bucks.
It’s kind of infuriating that people can’t hear that one simple word. I even wrote a post on the fact that people can’t process the word and.
Any alpha can be a provider with no risk or diminismment to his alpha status.
Rollo sees the world from the perspective of a beta bux. That’s his whole world.
He can’t even see that it’s completely inconsequential that some guys get treated like a provider.
So what?
Don’t be a beta provider.
That has NOTHING to do with don’t be a provider.
He keeps referencing a study of women’s ovulatory hormone changes, but ALWAYS neglects to mention that the changes don’t happen when the woman is partnered with a high testosterone man.
Also he NEVER mentions that high sociosexual score men don’t have their testosterone drop over the long term when pair bonded.
Which are perfect examples of how intellectually slimy that guy is. A better example is simply his writing style; he writes to obfuscate instead of to clarify.
It’s completely irrelevant information that people can be taken for a ride and be treated like shit by their partners; other than as a spur to become an attractive man. It has NOTHING to do with provision.
Just become an attractive man – that’s the first and last job, and being a provider has nothing to do with it. You have to be attractive anyway, provider or not.
If Rollo had any clue about this, he’d be singing the praises of being a dominant lover who appreciates pair bonding, and might make a blog arount the theme of “contemplative dominance for the modern man”.
He’s completely stuck inside a world that he himself created, and talks from that world, to people in that world.
That’s totally the wrong tactic.
That world is irrelevant.
Don’t be in that world.
@Jack20, regarding my “system” vs BDs, and how you consider both BDs and Rollos systems pragmatic, and mine dangerous;
I could not and would not follow BDs system, because it is completely incongruent with my psychology. It would be impossible and unwanted to me.
He is a good example of someone who handles risk/reward and does not fear society or women enough to prevent him from not only having long term relationships, but of having multiple LTRs. And he lives in the US.
I don’t believe his is the only system possible in order to have MLTRs – obvioiusly.
It’s simply proof that the US is no barrier to intimacy in modern society.
You are right that when I have MLTRs, it’s always led to drama. If Blackdragon can avoid that, good for him. I can’t. I don’t have an answer for that, in my own life, and I’ve written many blog posts about this, some recent and some old. Here is a touching one: https://xsplat.wordpress.com/2016/05/23/the-unspoken-of-dark-side-of-non-monogamy/
As for monogamy being impossible for everyone long term, I don’t believe that it’s true for everyone. It’s probably true for me, and maybe even most people. But most people do well enough with serial monogamy. I like to alternate between monogamy and MLTrs. But I’m not dedicated to any routine. If I stay happy with my current mate, I might wind up being mostly monogamous. Monogamish. I don’t really care one way or the other, as long as my needs are being met. Many peoples needs are met, long term, with monogamy, and I disagree with BD on that fact.
I do agree not to plan for lifetime monogamy. That’s just stupid.
I vehemently and strenuously disagree that the drama of breaking up – no matter how certain a breakup is – is any reason to avoid pair bonding. Simply mitigate the fallout. Don’t marry or share finances, and have escape routes. It’s not rocket science.
> Rollo is stopping people from having the wrong expectations and then being very sad when the expectations are not met. That is the whole core of the red pill / manosphere. Realistic expectations.
Sure… Rollo wants you to be “VERY SAD” right now. Everyday. Because… “muh femail umperatoff!!!” After all… what could you possible do to influence your own life… when… “the womynzzzzz!!!’
And… since you’re sad… and so bitter that you could never convince a healthy woman to want/admire you… you can BUY HIS BOOKS to feel better. And “cuddle” with MGTOWS, while claiming you have “alpha POV.”
Laughable… if it weren’t so corrosive.
Rollo is “identity politics” for guys. It’s “the patriarchy,” but from the MRA angle.
Rollo is a VIP ticket to sexual obscurity.
The manosphere got off on the wrong foot with Roissy. Roissy taught core beliefs that confidence was the root of all attraction, and that dark triad traits were valuable to emulate.
It then stumbled drunkenly into a very dark alley with Roosh, who has serious Cluster A personality disorders.
Then Rollo came along, and hypnotized people with his pseudo-academic speak, and kept hammering over and over propaganda about alpha fucks and beta bucks until everyone just soaked in it and considered it to be true. Incredibly damaging poison.
All three have some insights into women and man-woman relationship dynamics; especially pre 2012 Roissy/Heartiste. Howerver this has acted as fly bait, luring people into a dangerous trap, rather than feeding them.
The root of my personality and my best writing ever is in this post I made back in 2005: https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/readers-submissions/2005/12/face-guile-and-the-commerce-of-living/
It has at it’s root the Buddhist notion that all suffering stems from our unbridled immature human tendencies towards greed, aggression, and indifference. And that there are deeper more healthy and fulfilling ways to approach and deal with each other, that are based in open and awakened heart and unifying the mind in a cohesive honest whole.
We can be loved and give love.
We can. You can.
Stop listening to bullshit manosphere memes. Life is really pretty common sense. Love and be honest.
I’m going to copy and paste some comments about Rollo from over at Blackdragons blog in this post https://blackdragonblog.com/2018/11/01/more-responses-to-traditional-marriage-defenders/
joelsuf says November 1, 2018 at 11:13 am
C Lo says
UPSTREAM Twitter says:
A good summary and some critique of Rollo’s work: https://thepowermoves.com/the-rational-male/