There are different degrees of owning a woman, and a well kept woman can be enslaved to her marrow.
None the less, even if a girl loves you she can betray you. Steal, lie, pass around parts of her body for the use of others.
One way to look at that is that job one is to screen to avoid major contract breaking. In this case you assume that engendering love out of her is a contract for fidelity and general trust.
Another way to look at this is that if she fools you then you pretty well had it coming for being an easy mark.
It takes dating some sketchy girls to understand just how sketchy girls can get. The good news is that there are a lot of sketchy girls out there, so if you date around you’re bound to easily rack up some experience.
After having girls try to pull the wool over your eyes, either by seeing guys on the side or tucking away a little extra grocery money to give to their family, and after having met some really fucked up families the girls were born into, you won’t be an easy mark.
Then you can turn the tables on the girl and outsmart her at every maneuver, and her cons become giant shit tests that you pass, therefore putting her one more level deep into your own personal dungeon. You don’t even let her put herself into a position of risk of bad behaviour. No trip to Singapore with her slutty and money demanding female family members who just bought her high heeled fuck me pump-boots for the trip. She does that and you kick her out and never say another word to her.
If she stays with you after trying to fuck you over, it means you get to extract extra deep servitude out of the wench. You own her body, mind, and soul, as if you had your cock deep inside her cervix and she was dancing on it as your own personal sock puppet.
She’ll be begging to give over all her will. And she’ll be earnest. But then it only means you won a pivotal battle and stole more of her resources, it doesn’t mean that the war is over.
The war is never over.
Owning a woman is a sublime pleasure that can not be communicated. It must be experienced.
“Yes Daddy, I’m your little bitch. You own me. I love you and want to never leave you.”
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Mr. Bean and Charlie Chaplin are masters of pantomime. Their movies are direct and sublime cross culturally. When you reach a woman at the cave man level, it doesn’t matter what language she speaks or what culture she is from. You’ll understand each other perfectly clearly.
You own the bitch.
Random Xpat Rantings 
This guy is more of a bad boy player, but he’s got gems of truth after embarking on just about everything.
Well illustrated concept that’s perfectly synchronous.
“So I said “yeah, I get chicks to do that to me“, and he was like all horrified and disgusted and confused, and he looks at me and says “WHY, you don’t actually ENJOY it do you??!!“
I looked him in the eye and said yeah, I do, but THAT ain’t the fucking point, the fucking point is getting the bitch to do it willingly, and the point of that was they are a thousand times more willing AFTER they have tried to pull a shit test on you, and been epically kerbed and shitcanned.
This is the nature of teh wimminz, like a very bad employee who pulls a shit test and starts demanding a huge wage rise, flexi-time, oh, and a company car.
Just write the cunt a note saying YOU’RE FIRED.
They’ll beg to come back for a lower wage than they were getting, and will offer to clean the toilets for free.
Woe betide you if you do NOT make them clean those toilets every day, and make a point of pissing on the floor before they do, if you fail to do so, THAT is when you lose their respect.
They are still a fucking crap employee, but at least they have been put in their place, no messing…
…and it is in this context that you have to examine and approach this rather bizarre idea of a “top-notch woman“ as quoted above…
The skank I kicked to the kerb is still a skank, she just knows her place better now, and her place is with her tongue up my ass, not making words to shit test me with… puppy craps on floor, puppy gets nose rubbed in it.
Subtracting a small portion of the crap from something crap doesn’t make it good, pulling the exhaust catalyst and shite from a 2013 ZL1 Camaro doesn’t suddenly turn it into a good car, it is still a crap car.
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http://wimminz.wordpress.com/?s=piss+floor
Compelling writing and street wise wisdom.
A corporation should be able to put someone to good use, even if it’s just in the stock-room.
Xsplat. Speculation.
Looking for your gifts of language on this one.
Most guys are conditioned to
– please the girl
– work to win the girls affection
– cater to her frame
– get validated by the girl
– try hard to be liked by the girl and “keep” the girl
This of course led to the sh!tstorm in America today.
IF BOILING IT DOWN TO EACH QUESTION, as succinctly as possible would you say that if all men, collectively made a shift in mindset to:
– Screen the girl if she fits in what you would deem a worthy partner
– Lead the girl and make demands
– Work on owning HER through sex and commands and forming stronger emotional bonds
– Using the appropriate balance of push-pull to maintain relations and enforcing boundaries
– Cherish her and praise her for her receptiveness and willingness to please
– Take care of her social resourceful and emotional needs
Are there another set of ways or words you’d phrase to adequately DEFINE the mentality on the male’s frame and goal to own her heart and maximize both parties happiness?
Wow, that’s well put. I don’t have anything else to add for now but it’s a good idea; maybe later I’ll try to say the same thing in my own words; tie together the attitude of owning a woman.
You had said ” if all men, collectively made a shift in mindset to:” and then didn’t follow up on the if. But I feel that it’s unlikely to the point of being impossible that anywhere near a majority of men will learn good LTR game. It’s a rare talent that takes years of dating to learn, from my experience. The inspiration and ability just isn’t common.
Edit:
All was already discussed in the Daddy-Daughter dynamic, “tips on enslaving your mate”, and “using dominance to win the heart and soul of your mate”
For you guys out there who started off with different beliefs on interacting with women. What steps did you take to reinforce the new approach of dominance? How did you build yourself to be a more dominant man?
Much appreciated. Thanks.
I like where you’re going with the writing, keep hustlin’
So this next comment started out as a response to “the truth’s” question of how we began to establish dominance. Along the way it morphed into an entirely different idea, but I think it’s still relevant to the discussion:
If you think of the internet and how it currently exists, it’s almost a near perfect replication of how human beings communicate in real life. That’s a large part of why is such a powerful yet infinitely accessible tool.
We’re all individual computers/nodes on this information superhighway, and how powerful we are individually depends largely on how intelligent and intellectually nimble we are (RAM and processing speed), how valuable our accumulated experiences are (content and size of hard drive), how powerfully we are able to communicate our value to others (transmission speed and number of network connections), and how well we are able to defend ourselves from attack from malicious entities (firewalls, DMZ, anti-spyware, etc).
Most Western men fail because they’re incredibly weak in at least one of these areas. Here, xsplat deals with a defense strategy, which is something most men completely ignore. But without a proper defense, you’re completely useless as a man. No matter how good you become in other ways, intelligent or cunning women will simply break you down and take you for all you’re worth.
My dominance didn’t really begin to hit stride until I took control of the defensive posture on my own internal network. I stopped giving women what they wanted directly and said, “If you want it, you can have it, but you’ve got to come through the front door. You’ve got to take what I choose to give you on my terms.” After going through a few years of suck, mostly because what I had to offer wasn’t worth the price I was then asking, I now have full control of the information that’s transmitted out of my node. And that in itself makes me a more valuable man.
90% of dominance over women is simply learning to say “No” and not really giving a fuck if they decide to walk away. Most men simply can’t do that. They’re either not valuable or strong enough to say No and mean it. Since western society has created an environment that makes it easy for women to walk away, and western men have largely failed to come up with a strategy to counter this option, the whole of relationships between men and women in the west is fucked.
In keeping with the internet analogy: Most men in the west, not knowing how to actually draw women into their world, have begun freely giving away every valuable thing they have to women. Since women are free to soak up all the value that men have to offer without having to work for it, there’s no incentive for them to be any better than they currently are. Dating in the west is like Bittorrent on steroids. Even the best of men struggle to find their proper place amongst a crowd of cheaply made but freely available goods.
Genius.
Saying no is a kind of art in itself. If ever I have kids I’ll make a point to help them master “how to say no in life” (to people, projects, and whatnot) and “how to know what you want” — both skills they’re dad (me) has never naturally had.
Of course one can always improve these skills, but they are tough ones because they’re rooted in entrenched parts of ourselves, sitting somewhere between hardware and firmware.
Boundaries, for instance, have always been still a struggle for me. Apparently one’s boundaries — where you stop and other people begin, broadly speaking — form in infancy, as many character traits do, and are difficult to modify in later life.
I’ve got a ton of natural gifts for which I’m grateful, but in the mix somehow I ended up with something of a “tin ear” for social and moral boundaries. As a result, I’m often either too generous or too demanding, too sensitive or too aggressive, too much of a pansy or too much of a pig, too weak or too strong, too forgiving or too unyielding. My instincts for managing the gate (my “firewall” in your analogy, maybe?) are dodgy; node security fluctuates between too tight and too loose. Alas, this is a gate that CANNOT be well managed by conscious calculation, but only by feel. (NB: boundaries are different than inhibitions…but I digress.)
So, yeah…being a good manager of one’s own boundaries is a key fundamental in managing women — or, a little more accurately, managing oneself with women. But unfortunately, it’s not one of the more readily malleable social abilities, at least for some men.
That said, it is precisely my own sense of boundaries in my main relationship that’s taught me that this idea of “not really giving a fuck” if the woman decides to walk away is NOT correct, or at least it is sloppy language. I care tremendously whether my woman walks away or not. But there are things I care about EVEN more than that.
I think it was Stephane Hemon who said a woman (or women) should be a man’s fourth priority. 1 is his physical and mental health, 2 is his deep-seated values and integrity, 3 is his manly “thing” (his mission, his career, whatever it is), and 4 is his woman.
That makes sense to me (and really only gets blurry if your honest-to-goodness purpose has something to do with family or with women).
You can care a lot about your woman, but anything she does that really interferes with a higher priority should be grounds for moving on. And while you might grieve terribly at one level, at a deeper level you won’t lose much sleep. But I would never, ever describe that as “not giving a fuck.” If you really love women — and certainly if you love one in particular — you give a fuck (unless you’ve trained yourself not to, which as X has argued repeatedly, is a mistake).
Thinking about it now, I guess I’d say there are big NOs and small NOs that a man has to be prepared to deal out. The small NOs are seen strictly in the context of a relationship (and are meted out with smack downs of one sort or another), and the big NOs are issued in the context of his life (and show up as dismissals or walk-aways). All of it far easier said than done, though, especially when you’re in love!
It’s funny that you mention the raising kids thing. I read something a while back that talked about the differences between how rich parents and poor/middle class raise their children to respond to authority. Poor and middle class parents typically raise their children to blindly comply with anything adults say, whereas wealthier parents were more likely to teach their children to stand up for themselves and try to persuade adults over to their way of thinking. It’s a lot like learning to speak a second language. Even if you study diligently from your teens on, you’ll never has a strong a grasp on it as someone who learned it even casually from the time they were young.
I’ll concede that my language was sloppy when I wrote about “not really giving a fuck.” It’s likely a bad habit I picked up from too many years invested in PUA culture. The reality is far more nuanced that my writing suggests. I absolutely HATE it when I lose one of my girls. I’d love to be in a situation where I could keep my favorite girls floating around in my orbit for an indefinite period of time. But I inevitably reach a point with them where the cost of maintaining the relationship begins to exceed the value it brings to me. The difference is now I can see that point coming, usually months in advance, and can begin laying the groundwork for welcoming someone new into my life (assuming I made the mistake of neglecting that process in the first place).
So it’s not that I “don’t give a fuck” it’s just that it doesn’t devastate me like it used to. I feel a twinge of pain at the loss for a few days, maybe a week or so, but not the weeks, months, or years a typical guy might take to get over a break. Honestly though, thinking about it this way, the language still fits. Even though I do clearly give a damn, there’s very little about my outward expression or behavior that would give that away. Whatever. It’s mostly just semantics, but you’re right. It’s quite a bit more complicated than just saying “I don’t give a fuck” and watching the girl walk away.
Yeah…you’ve got the idea. Just checking. 🙂 Because I have a sense that “PUA stuff” can harden one’s heart by idealising aloofness and calousness, and seeming to urge men to not care very much. Which I think is a dire “misreading of the text,” shall we say — where the text is the reality of male-female dynamics and the causes of happiness. Self-alienation and numbness, regardless of any success it might (or might not) lead to with women, are unlikely to contribute much to a man’s happiness.
Attachment styles differ I suppose, too. There are few universals in the way people like to intertwine themselves, but the manosphere seems to write as though there were.
I’m curious when you say “cost of maintaining the relationship begins to exceed the value” what you’re referring to. I mean, I can guess with fair accuracy probably, but I’d love to hear it in your words if you’d care to elaborate.
On the cost vs. value of relationships thing: Free Northerner did a series of posts on this that was far more eloquent than anything I could come up with here. But basically, in a typical relationship, the quality and quantity of sex tends to peak somewhere between six and eighteen months into the relationship, while the level of investment a typical woman requires to keep the relationship going increases indefinitely. To me, this is the true nature of hypergamy. I don’t think women are on the constant lookout for better men, as PUAs tend to suggest. What they seek access to better sex and better resources. It’s been my experience that if you’re the best lover and provider a woman has had in her lifetime, the chances of her stepping out on you (at least in the short-term) are incredibly low.
Naturally, there’s a point where continued access to sex is no longer worth what women are asking for it. For me, this comes around the time when they start making persistent demands for cohabitation or marriage. Unless I want to have children with her (unlikely), there’s nothing a woman can provide to me past that point to make up for that level of sacrifice. Sex is cheap and easy to come by, and I live fairly simply and cheaply on my own. Moving in with a woman causes a dramatic spike in relationship upkeep costs, with little added benefit to me.
And while I’m on this point: I find it a bit strange that PUAs and MGOTWers whine so much about the idea that women don’t bring anything of value to the relationship beyond sex. Even if that were true (I don’t think it is), it still makes sense from a biological perspective. The way I see it, our job is to provide value to women, and their job is to extract that value for use in the next generation by having kids. The advent of birth control and subsequent government intervention in our relationships have broken this natural cycle. I’m not sure how you can fault women for that. They seem just as lost in this new cultural landscape as men are. But things being how they are, it doesn’t make sense for me to let women continue extracting resources from me in preparation for providing to a bunch of kids that I don’t want to have.
This is just beyond coincidence now, you must have a tape recorder in my home.
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