Rape is a touchy issue because women demand the power to invalidate all male concerns. Mens concerns are not only trivial, they are not allowed to even exist.
I agree with many of the commenters that Roosh’s case against rape is weak. Women do lube up. Confounding the issue is that women give in easier than they should, if they truly are trying to stop the rape. Women fantasize about rape, and give in too easiliy to it, and lube up for it, and orgasm during it.
However the fact that he poses these questions is righteous. There is nothing disgusting about asking these things. Men have hugely important concerns around this issue, and women lie about it. From what I’ve heard police say that women lie about rape MOST of the time.
We are right to question what is “real” rape. And we’ll never get a 100% clear cut answer, because women often say No! Stop! No! Don’t! Stop! No. Don’t. Stop. No don’t stop. No don’t stop.
I’ve heard it said that women lube up during sex as an evolved response to prevent vaginal tearing. Wrong. Women get wet for rapists so that they will fascilitate having a rape baby.
Men who rape are an evolutionary advantage – a womans genes want the genes of a successful rapist.
Men can also orgasm during male rape, but in that case the evolution of that response is more tricky – because the male prostate also exists in about 40% females as the G spot. I don’t know why the male G spot gives dudes orgasms – but that piece of hardware evolved to do that. Could be that since the organ shows up in both men and women, it evolved to be useful but isn’t fully sex differentiated – it evolved in humans – and when it’s in females, it gives an evolutionary advantage.
But for women getting raped, it’s simpler. Anything that causes death or birth is a fast road to evolution. People hypothesize that you get lubrication to avoid death – a clear straightforward evolutionary path. The other clear obvious straightforward path is to get wet to give life.
A pet peeve men have is hearing this cant “Rape isn’t about sexual gratification, it is about power and control.”
Argument by assertion.
Define “about”.
Do you mean “only about”? As in – not ALSO about sex?
If I wanted power and control, I’d use a fist, not a dick.
Men often say “I’ve always felt that the power/control theory was psychobabble.”
It’s not even psychobabble. It’s just common female projection.
WOMEN can use sex for power and control over men. Give me money and resources and I might give you pussy. Or I might just friend zone you and dangle my pussy in front of your nose from time to time.
Women lose power if they get impregnated without choice.
Men have the biological imperative to impregnate women – not get resources from them.
Women project their agenda of control onto men, who are just simply trying to come inside a pussy.
Update:
I saw first-hand a woman prison guard who sacrificed her career to fuck a serial rapist in the prison she was supposed to be guarding. She was an solid 8, slim, blond. You can’t make this stuff up.
Here is an example of why I say that women lube up for rape in order to facilitate impregnation. It’s not just to prevent tearing.
Women want rapist babies.
Peter said:
Some great research recently debunking a lot of the women don’t want to be raped BS. Some of the most interesting stuff came from a female researcher who found that there is an element of narcissism in female sexuality that centers around being desired.
What the research found was that women that have rape fantasies, while they might like the domination, like being desired even more. The stranger driven to take her forcefully because he was overcome with desire for her is a powerful turn-on for women. Yeah the dashing, pirate ripping off the bodice makes her tingle because he is driven mad with lust for HER. Once you understand that women want to be wanted, to be seen as desirable, to be the object of lustful desire, you understand a woman’s sexuality in another regard and understand a powerful reason for their behavior. You also understand why so many become aroused not only by rape fantasy, but also during an actual rape. The BS about women that lube up and orgasm during rape as just having a reflex response is nonsense. Women orgasm only when they want to orgasm.
Link to Slate article: http://www.slate.com/blogs/humannature/2009/01/26/rape_fantasies_and_female_arousal.html
Women are often aroused sexually during a rape. Women do sometimes “want” to be raped At least they often will accept it if the situation is thrust upon them. But, they don’t want to be raped by just anyone. They want the man that rapes them to be good at it. They want him to be desirable in at least some ways. They want him driven to rape her not just because she happened to be the first woman that came along, but because they saw her and couldn’t stop themselves from wanting her right then and there. There is indeed something in the female wiring that was installed back in the hundreds of thousands of years when humans were not civilized but were instead savages where the strongest dominated the weak, and males took the females they wanted. Of course, not all rapes will be met with female arousal and tingle, but many will be.
A couple of years ago, a female friend who had been actually raped by a stranger two years prior when she was 18, talked to me about it. What happened to her that night was a scary situation, no doubt about it. The guy forced his way into the apartment she was staying at by tricking her. He was armed with a knife and threatened her and she had no doubt that he would have used it if provoked. She is an intelligent woman with a great deal of empathy, and she figured out during the ordeal how she was going to stay alive that night. She did it by cooperating with him for about two hours, during which time she participated in the sex that was forced upon her. During the sex, she experienced a few climaxes.
In the aftermath, she was at first guilt ridden, because the literature and counseling she was receiving all told her how she should feel and tried to explain her own pleasure as a “reflex”, But, eventually she admitted to herself that she knew it wasn’t true. She knew that during the sex acts she climaxed because she wanted to have an orgasm. She was sexually aroused enough to have the orgasms and wanted them. Once she accepted that, and once she also accepted that she had done what she needed to do in order to keep control of the guy so that he wouldn’t want to kill her, she found her peace. She stopped lying to herself and accepted reality.
Yes rape is a crime. No, I am not advocating rape as a social good or that it is desirable. But, we need to talk honestly about human sexuality and not make assertions of fact that are not actually facts but are instead opinions. Rape is about sex and power, not just power. Women will often become aroused during a rape and even orgasm. Lubrication doesn’t just happen to protect the vagina, rather, it happens because the female gets her sexual cues in many ways and her arousal is stimulated even by the stranger that is grabbing at her. Once we admit that happens, then we can talk honestly about rape.