In response to my re-posting this post (excerpt from post)
Either you are fucking multiple attractive young women who are in love with you, or you do not understand and do not have the skill sets involved.
There is no such thing as a man who could do that but chooses not to. A fox sees grapes he can’t reach, and then tells himself those grapes were sour anyway.
And then he tell himself that all other foxes are deluded if they think they are getting high grapes. “Your girlfriends are not really having orgasms you idiot! Even though I have never met you or your girls, I know that! God, how dumb can you be to think you are actually getting high grapes!”
on Rollo’s blog, and tweeting a link to it on my years old twitter account, Rollo replied:
[TL;DR Rollo is full of shit because he’s married. YaReally is too because he isn’t married yet. Read me instead because.
You aren’t full of shit. And the shit you are full of is not because you are married.
Read for comprehension.
You confuse some of your shit with the rest of your insights because you are not seducing and fucking young ass.
Or because you are too whipped to admit you are fucking young ass.
Take your choice.
Hehe,..I guess I should feel honored you’d start a Twitter account just to tell me all of that X.
From what I remember though, you’ve been ‘buying’ young ass in SEA for some time now. I’m not sure how that constitutes ‘seducing’ young ass, but hey, if you feel that what I write should be disregarded as ‘bad teaching’ because I’ve been married for 20 years, you can always look to Roosh for inspiration on how to live a rewarding life.
I still love you X. Yours has always been one of my earliest blog reads and I still pop over from time to time.
I agree with you that not censoring is the best method, because it shows the nature of the beast.
You have in your comment proved my point.
You believe that even though you have not met me or my girls, that I am lying about my personal experience. You HAVE to believe that.
Because YOU are not fucking young ass, it means I am paying for it.
That is exactly my point. You do not have a clue how to fuck young ass. And therefore you have no choice but to assume that I’m paying for it.
Discussion with commentors continues from here. It’s surprising to me how much resistance many guys have even to the very idea of being with much younger women. It must be about an identity crisis! It must be about hormonal imbalance! It must be about way out of whack priorities! It must be this or that or that or this – but not about how great and life improving it is to be naked with young women.
People absolutely can’t stand having ambitions that seem out of reach, and will go so far as to deny other people the possibility that others have and are reaching good ambitions that they dare not have.
Autistics are not able to comprehend normal healthy human emotions such as love and bonding, nor are they able to experience or empathise with the pleasures of loving touch.
Those with milder autism, the hamburger-autistics who have ass-burgers, are high enough functioning that they are able to communicate their wonderment to the world at large.
“Why do people fuck?!! Why do men have emotions?!! What’s going on, can’t men see that it’s really stoopid?!”
In this internet age, every meme gets it’s own support group, and the support group for the hambur-tards is called men going their own way, or MGTOW for short.
A lot of what we become started out in the womb. The hormones we swim in alter our brain and body development. Some male embryos develop a feminine thinking style due to a low levels of testosterone in the uterus. And throughout the development years and even after we develop, our hormones affect our thinking styles. And our bodies.
I was glancing at some porn sites with a lover the other day, and she she showed me some disturbing pictures. There was a western man with an Indian lover, who was frequently having threesomes with his girlfriends boss. The western guy had an unusually small dick, and the Indian guys was just as unusually large.
A lot of people think that all men are some how or other deep down all created equal, that some how or other we are all deserving of the same amount of respect or good will or treatment or that our opinions are all equally valid, or some other la-la nether-neverland ephemeral bullshit.
All men are created what? Equal did you say?
I say take a look at the picture I saw. Two men holding their dicks up, side by side. That’s not equal. I bet the girl didn’t experience them as equal either.
I can hear the MGTOW guys argue back “But why should I let OTHER people define MY worth?” Uhh, because sex? Because the ability to cause sexual pleasure is a real, factual, actual, measurable truly existing worth? Because you might like to cause another person pleasure, because doing so is personaly pleasurable? Any of that registering? No? No. You already checked out of the conversation right after you asked the question.
During our perusing of performing online couples, we chanced upon a young burly guy with stamina, fucking away on his girl, and both of us nearly broke out laughing at how emotionless the guy was. “Oh, that guy doesn’t do it for me at ALL”. His face was placid. As if he had no clue what the word passion could possibly mean. Like he was just sawing wood – as if fucking were a physical function. Only. Not a screamer.
Emotional ability is similar to dick size. It’s very influential. Sexual charisma is all about how responsive YOU are. Not how much response you can get out of the girl, through special finger movements and thrust timings. It’s about how emotionally and sexually responsive YOU are.
It’s the same for girls. Yes, a great blow job counts for a lot – points for technique. But the most important thing is how responsive the girl is. How much she is into it. How orgasmic she is, how in the flow she is, how given over to passion she is, how red her cheeks get, how loud her screams get, how totally taken over by the moment she gets.
That’s emotional power. Very similar to dick size.
And just like dick size, it can be cultivated.
In fact there is an effective therapy used for asexual women. It is to simply practice being sensual. Carefully notice and enjoy each bite of each grape. Day after day mindfullness is attached to sensual pleasures, and the new practice strengthens neuron connections related to enjoyment of pleasure, and then the women learn to be sexual, and even orgasmic.
It’s the same for enjoying ones own emotions. And life.
My dick is a decent size for Asia. It’s modestly above western average, but if I were plowing fields in the west, there might be some advantage to me to jelk regularly and get an extra 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch growth. I hear that’s a reasonable and common result, and takes about six months. And if I had a micropenis like that guy in the picture had, you are damn right I’d save every penny and get some surgery. A man needs to compete. I mean sure, we all play to our strengths, and most weaknesses can be overlooked, but we even have to shore up our weaknesses, if we can. I’m balding, and I wear hats now. I’m short, so I’m in South East Asia.
But guys are out there not only laying down to die, but “explaining” to other men that all men should lay down to die also, because something or other that has to do with it isn’t only losers who are losers and it’s not their own personal fault that they are losers and losers aren’t really losers and winners are actually the real losers.
I like to love and fuck attractive young women, so naturally I’ve found common interests in the wider manosphere and PUA types of sites. A diverse lot chimes in, including the man-boobed ass-burgers.
Here is a comment from yesterday over at the goingyourownway micro-penis-circle-jerk forum.*
*And what else should I call a group of incels and spergs who pat themselves on the back for being unable and unwilling to compete in the sexual marketplace? Is it shaming language? Look, for the most part I see MGTOW guys as lazy fat socially retarded idiots, who have no clue as to how inept they are, and who group together into a woman-haters-club of relationship fail. If that’s not shameful I don’t know what is. Being fat in itself is shameful. Fat fatties are fat. Refusing to even try to sexually compete? Ya. Sorry but I’m not sorry. Go ahead and roll over and die, but don’t expect to be lauded for it. If it were my son doing that I’d use shame and anything else possible to slap him out of his indulgence and work and compete. Get some fucking ambition.
I have observed before that women live to experience feelings. Good feelings, bad feelings – doesn’t matter. A woman lives to feel. Lives for drama. That drunk bitch, screaming at her boyfriend? She is having a grand old time. She feels truly alive.
So Mr Xplat here has decided to play the game, dating, relationships, plate-spinning, PUA, “Contemplative Dominance”. So self-aware, so ironic, so red-pill. The result? He winds up living on just the same level as any chick, batted around like a pinball by her hormones and the petty dramas in her life. And concludes in public that this, this is truly living.Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas. (Not to mention chlamydia, herpes, and AIDS.)
This is not the True Way.
A man lives to achieve.
and
What is the point of the power of reason if not to struggle against emotions?
I'm not going to feign pity on the Spock wannabees, and long experience with talking to the stupid and ego invested has shown again and again that it's pointless, so I'm not trying to start a reasonable dialogue with those incapable of it. But just in case there are those out there who are even slighty influenced by the cult-of-anti-intimacy that infects the manosphere, I need to speak up and influence you men. Because that's what men do – we help each other to not become total fuck ups. I will try to influence by talking about how in my OWN life, my personal day to day life, I face choices all the time, that affect my quality of life. Choices about how emotional to be.
I know, personally, and daily, that FEELING is directly related to overall quality of life. To personal and shared wellbeing, joy, contentment, ecstasy.
Nobody likes to suffer. The fact that we suffer is a fact – it’s not about a logical decision – it’s a fact. And we have no choice in the matter – we don’t like it. We can’t choose to like it, we can’t choose to accept it as it is. It is a biological fact that pain decreases quality of life – it’s a tautology. And it’s not just about avoiding pain. Pleasure increases quality of life. And there are plenty of known ways to increase and share pleasure. Increasing and sharing pleasure in mutually sustainable ways is good manners and good civics and good Christmas cheer and proper orgy etiquette.
And if the blatantly obvious were a silver nail you could not hammer it into the thick skulls of some of these ego-invested MGTOW tards.
“Emotions?!!! Emotions?!!! I don't understand. What are emotions? Why? Why oh why oh why?! Emotions and sex? It’s horrible. HORRIBLE I tell you!”
Good god man. Spergs and burgers.
I spent many hours two days ago, listening to this Leonard Cohen song, as interpreted by Anthony, over and over. I found it haunting and oddly spiritual. It was condusive to chi-kung.
And then while at the gym today, it finally struck me. Leonard Cohen suffered long bouts of depression, and it shows up in his songs, and the entire tone of this song is one of giving over ones will. One line in it is “and end this night, if it be your will.” That’s not spiritual. That’s just laying down and giving up. That’s not some sort of spiritual “acceptance”, whatever that could possibly mean. It’s just abrogating responsibility and lowering your own testosterone. It’s not a take charge attitude.
If it be YOUR will? No. If it be MY will. If I decide. I am in charge of what I am in charge of. And it’s a lot.
On the other hand in order to open up our perceptions there is a lot of letting go that needs to happen. A relaxing past our current expectations and ego invested definitions of who we are.
So I’ll allow a spiritual letting go into our wider Self, and I’ll allow projecting out that Self onto a mythical other, as an exercise of growth to reach out into now-ness with open eyed wonder and appreciation.
Because that is an expression of OUR will. We own that too. We own it, and it’s good.
There is so much going on in my life right now that is a result of my will. So many great things. Perhaps I’ll get to that in another post.
If there is a point I’d like readers to take away from this post, it’s this; enjoying life is a habit. A habit that we can cultivate. And to maximize how much pleasure we can bring to others, it’s also a habit that we must cultivate.
One way I increase enjoyment with my girls is to sometimes do various role play games, in order to heighten emotions. A favorite is daddy-daughter, because that heightens feelings of genuine paternal love. Ya, it’s kinky, but get past that for long enough to get to the heart of the matter – the why of the kink. It greatly increases genuine affection, which hugely increases mutual satisfaction. That’s a major life hack, right there.
As does chi-kung – HUGE increase in sensitivity and power.
Emotions are necessary tools, the value of which could never be overstated. They are essential to our maximized life. And we can’t have only good ones.
I’d never heard of that disorder, and it’s a fascinating read. Yes, Schizoid personality disorder closely matches some of what is expressed by many MGTOWs. In previous posts I’ve also mentioned that MGTOWs seem to have attachment disorders, such as the Dismissive–avoidant attachment style and the article on Schizoids says that some people think these are either related or the same thing. It’s also mentions that comparisons of SPD (schizoid personality disorder) and aspergers have been made, and that there are overlaps and differences.
Here is the money quote from the SPD wikipedia page:
“Only schizoid patients”, suggests Klein, “who have worked through the abandonment depression … ultimately will believe that the capacity for relatedness and the wish for relatedness are woven into the structure of their beings, that they are truly part of who the patients are and what they contain as human beings. It is this sense that finally allows the schizoid patient to feel the most intimate sense of being connected with humanity more generally, and with another person more personally. For the schizoid patient, this degree of certainty is the most gratifying revelation, and a profound new organizer of the self experience.
I’ve been making similar statements over and over in so many different ways on this blog.
This seemingly Buddhist notion of trying to be independent is a pathology. We are inherently interconnected. We CAN’T be fully ourselves, and maximally happy, without awareness of and inclusion of our social lives. We ARE social. We don’t just have social lives – we are fundamentally social.
Atypical empathic responses have been associated with autism spectrum disorders; particular personality disorders such as psychopathy, borderline, narcissistic, and schizoid personality disorders; conduct disorder;[77] schizophrenia; bipolar disorder;[34] and depersonalization.[78]
It then goes on to describe different ways those on the autistic spectrum are clueless in their ability to understand why other men like to fuck and have normal human emotions:
Autism spectrum
The interaction between empathy and the autism spectrum is a complex and ongoing field of research. Several different factors are proposed to be at play here. Alexithymia
A study of high-functioning adults with autism spectrum disorders found an increased prevalence of alexithymia,[79] a personality construct characterized by the inability to recognize and articulate emotional arousal in oneself or others.[79][80][81] Based on fMRI studies, alexithymia is responsible for a lack of empathy.[82] The lack of empathic attunement inherent to alexithymic states may reduce quality[83] and satisfaction[84] of relationships. Recently, a study has shown that high-functioning adults with autism appear to have a range of responses to music similar to that of neurotypical individuals, including the deliberate use of music for mood management. Clinical treatment of alexithymia could involve using a simple associative learning process between musically induced emotions and their cognitive correlates.[85] A study has suggested that the empathy deficits associated with the autism spectrum may be due to significant comorbidity between alexithymia and autism spectrum conditions rather than a result of social impairment.[86] Mirror neuron activity
One study found that, relative to typically developing children, high-functioning children with autism showed reduced mirror neuron activity in the brain’s inferior frontal gyrus (pars opercularis) while imitating and observing emotional expressions.[87] EEG evidence revealed that there was significantly greater mu suppression in the sensorimotor cortex of autistic individuals. Activity in this area was inversely related to symptom severity in the social domain, suggesting that a dysfunctional mirror neuron system may underlie social and communication deficits observed in autism, including impaired theory of mind and empathy.[88] The mirror neuron system is essential for emotional empathy.[30] Theory of mind
Previous studies have suggested that autistic individuals have impaired theory of mind. Theory of mind is the ability to understand the perspectives of others.[29] The terms cognitive empathy and theory of mind are often used synonymously, but due to a lack of studies comparing theory of mind with types of empathy, it is unclear whether these are equivalent.[29] Theory of mind relies on structures of the temporal lobe and the pre-frontal cortex, and empathy, i.e. the ability to share the feelings of others, relies on the sensorimotor cortices as well as limbic and para-limbic structures.[citation needed] Francesca Happe showed that autistic children who demonstrate a lack of theory of mind lack it for their self as well as for others.[89][citation needed] The lack of clear distinctions between theory of mind and empathy may have resulted in an incomplete understanding of the empathic abilities of those with Asperger syndrome; many reports on the empathic deficits of individuals with Asperger syndrome are actually based on impairments in theory of mind.[29][90][91] Cognitive and affective empathy
Studies have found that individuals on the autism spectrum self-report lower levels of empathic concern, show less or absent comforting responses toward someone who is suffering, and report equal or higher levels of personal distress compared to controls.[36] The combination of reduced empathic concern and increased personal distress may lead to the overall reduction of empathy in those on the autism spectrum.[36] Professor Simon Baron-Cohen suggests that those with classic autism often lack both cognitive and affective empathy.[39] Research also suggests that people with Asperger syndrome may have problems understanding others’ perspectives in terms of theory of mind, but on average demonstrate equal empathic concern as and higher personal distress than controls.[29] The generally heightened personal distress in those with autism spectrum conditions has been offered as an explanation to the claim that at least some people with autism would appear to have heightened emotional empathy,[36][38] although emotional empathy depends on mirror neuron activity, which (as described previously) has been found to be reduced in those with autism, and empathy in people on the autism spectrum is generally reduced.[30][36] Empathizing–systemizing theory
The empathizing–systemizing (E-S) theory suggests that people may be classified on the basis of their capabilities along two independent dimensions, empathizing (E) and systemizing (S). These capabilities may be inferred through tests that measure someone’s Empathy Quotient (EQ) and Systemizing Quotient (SQ). Five different “brain types” can be observed among the population based on the scores, which should correlate with differences at the neural level. In the E-S theory, autism and Asperger syndrome are associated with below-average empathy and average or above-average systemizing. The E-S theory has been extended into the Extreme Male Brain theory, which suggests that people with an autism spectrum condition are more likely to have an “Extreme Type S” brain type, corresponding with above-average systemizing but challenged empathy (see the next section).[92]
And then:
Personality disorders
Atypical empathy is associated with some personality disorders, including psychopathy, borderline, narcissistic, and schizoid personality disorders.
Schizoid personality disorder
Characteristics of schizoid personality disorder include emotional coldness, detachment, and impaired affect corresponding with an inability to be empathetic and sensitive towards others.
And I’ll copy my comments below into this main post, as they are relevant to the empathy and theory of mind disorders listed above:
The vast majority of them seem to be incapable of having any empathy with the common human condition – that we are a pair bonding species who like to fuck. Over and over they act surprised. Day after day. Their hobby is being surprised at the obvious.
The closest I’ve seen an MGTOW guy coming to terms with the fact that people like to mate is handwaving at sex with mentioning that fucking is ok, sometimes, if it’s a freeby that comes along, or if a guy pays for it. But never go after it.
And that does NOT address emotional bonding AT ALL. They literally can not even see the subject at all. It’s completely invisible to them.
Want intimacy? Oh, pay a prostitute.
Uh, what?
Ass-burgers are NOT men who go their own way. They are men who use shaming language against anyone who doesn’t have ass-burgers. Nya nya nya nya nya! You like to fuck and have emotions!
It’s the Dunning-Kruger effect gone wild. The incompetent are too incompetent to realize that they are incompetent. So you have a self selected group of the most socially incompetent people on the planet making socio-sexual commentary.
It’s the retard class barging in on the teachers meeting, “explaining” that the teachers are ignorant.
And
MGTOW guys refuse to compete, and are therefore losers. And they then want to not only stop others from keeping score, but want to gather together and make new rules such that the real losers are the people who successfully enjoy sex and romance.
Update: Regardless of a persons social ability, it would seem that learning and playing music should heighten emotional facility, and intersubjective social ability. It’s long been known that piano playing generally enhances overall brain development in children. I expect that adults would have benefits in many areas as well.
I’ve been using rolipram, which enhances memory formation and generates new neurons. I’ll be looking into other neurogenesis and learning enhancing supplements – I’ve found many so far that look very promising.
I’ve had periods of my life where I was socially awkward, and have seen a trend of improvement. So I expect that with some supplemental aids to neuroplasticity plus regular training, many people can greatly alter their inter-personal approaches, and find new ways to enrich their emotional lives. For me it’s new to have a team of guys to interact with. For other people it will be new to date young hotties. New stuff will require stretching and learning new abilities.
A general attitude of personal and interpersonal growth with the overarching framework of maximizing personal and group happiness is necessary, but not sufficient to realizing ones full potential.
People have agendas. As if we were machines evolved to seek benefit, when our agendas are aided we feel beneficient, and when our aims are thwarted we feel ire. We get jealous of people who stand in the positions of power we seek to hold. We feel toady towards those in a position to give us a helping hand.
It’s competing agendas all around. Every moral notion you have, every gentle feeling of compassionate embrace, is all an expression of personal agenda. Everything in the universe is a flow of power in the machinery of self perpetuating power structures. Life IS evolution, and evolution IS agenda.
As everything that I want is an agenda, and as agendas tend to be in competition for limited resources, the mere fact of me wanting some things pisses people off. It’s no surprise that some wants will piss off certain groups, as groups band together their agendas for a socialist power play of popular want.
Some things that I want that piss people off:
Pussy Pussy, and more Pussy
Specifically, a bouncy and petite third girlfriend who is in a constant state of sexual arousal. When I text her about anything she will reply with something relating to my dick and how soon she’ll be sitting on it.
This pisses off women. Women of course have the agenda that men are a resource that can provide benefit to women, and when men get uppity and outright state their desires for non-fenced relationships, this is a threat to the status quo of tamed beasts of burden.
This also pisses off men who have the sexual strategy of banding together as a socialist group to enforce a one-man-one-pussy policy. This has been a very successful socialist policy for men who can not succeed independently in the sexual marketplace. Collective bargaining is an evolved facet of power that shows up in nearly all power dynamics. A percentage of men were evolved to feel angry when men are successful sexual capitalist barons.
Status
Nakedly stating that you seek status is a faux pas. We have all sorts of derogatory terms to sling at those who openly display status. Try hards. Douches. Nouveau-riche. Overcompensating mid life crisis men with little dicks.
Take a man of 45. He’s holding up as well as he can for his age – fit, but balding. Take a picture of him in a family sedan with a kid in the back. Now ask random coffee house girls how big the man’s dick is. Take another picture of him with his arm draped over the window of his candy apple red porche convertible, and ask around about the length and breadth of his cock. The girls and even some men will report cock shrinkage.
The reason for the cock-blocking attempt is that he is blatantly displaying his agenda. He wants to attract sex with attractive fertile females, and this causes competition anxiety. Do red porche convertibles have a reputation for success in aiding men with that agenda? If they did not, then no one would ever have any need to cock block, and middle aged mens dicks wouldn’t magically shrink whenever they take steps to get what they want.
Love
Certain emotions are famous for causing pleasure – sometimes intense, sublime pleasure. Pleasure so intense and sublime that it has inspired poetry, novels, songs, and countless wars. It’s possible to not only feel these emotions, but to inspire them in other people.
This really pisses people off! You’ll see intense internet rage whenever love is mentioned. People will feel competition anxiety and want to cock block you. There is no love and if there were, YOU specifically can NOT invoke it in other girls! And if you could, blah, blah you have no value blah and the women you fuck have no value and blahdiby blah blah!
Power, Influence and Money
People who have no power will want to cock block you if you overtly display power. Think again about how socialism is inherent to the universe; self perpetuating power structures have many evolved options, one of which is to band together communally. Hippie power. Down with the 1%ers!
In the manosphere in particular young guys with no money will carefully explain to you that in fact women do not have emotions that are related to their personal benefit, and that in fact money has never influenced any woman sexually.
The agenda towards personal power will invoke competition, and this looks like jealousy, cock-blocking, anger, annoyance, war, back stabbing, and general irritation. Being open about wanting power or having power will piss people off.
UgSlayer said: Feminists say they believe female beauty is a social construct and one that they don’t subscribe to.
Start panicking and using shallow, transparent defense mechanisms through social networking when someone calls them ugly.
MSW2007 Wrote: Funny that feminists and manginas everywhere rip on men that value women mostly for looks, but when someone like Roosh pisses them off, they immediately start looking for pictures and calling him ugly.
Athlone McGinnis wrote: They’re also prone to make insinuations about the size of the guy’s genitalia and his sexual history (usually by claiming that he is a virgin).
Feminists are the first to go on about the fallacy of judging people on the basis of their physical features…but they’ll be the first to shout about your supposed dick size if you piss them off (“lol I bet your dick is small!!!1111!”).
Feminists don’t want to be judged on the basis of their sexual history, but they’ll be the first to try and bring up the topic when faced with someone they don’t like (“lol you’re probably a virgin!!!!!111”).
The hypocrisy really starts to roll out once you stir up the hornet’s nest.
thedude3737 wrote: Is there an American feminist on earth that’s remotely hot? Or even bangable?
That’s really what it all comes down to in my head. I’m vaguely aware that there are all these loudmouthed hippos wasting their time and energy on Women’s Rights issues, while it seems like attractive women simply don’t have time for that shit. Attractive women of the world are used to getting treated quite well and get all the attention that their hamsters require, so there’s no reason for them to have a chip on their shoulder or feel like they’ve been slighted.
Feminists might as well classify themselves as “The Reject Pile”.
From one of the ugly femininists: “I mean, a lot of people think those 9 Uggo Feminists are quite hot because of their badassery”
Kitsune wrote: The good news is that real men don’t judge women on their looks, so being labelled ugly shouldn’t be a problem for these enlightened, educated paragons of 21st century philosophy.
Panacea wrote: i think if you looked like this you’d become a feminist too.
Therookie wrote: This is brilliant because it takes a page right out of feminist/Marxist strategy book. Saul Alinksy wrote the leftist strategy handbook, Rulebook for Radicals, in the 1970s. Hillary Clinton wrote her thesis on this book. It is completely value-neutral, however. The opponents of the leftists – the conservatives and libertarians – have ignored it at their own peril.
In my mind, this is the most important rule (from wiki)
RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
The left (and by extension feminism) has completely owned this tactic for probably 50 years. They will ignore all arguments and when they deign to respond they ridicule the opponent.
Many of the women in my family, and many of my women friends from college, will only respond to ridicule in political arguments because it is their own tactic that they use against men. It is ridiculously (no pun intended) effective. Never try to make a sincere, well-reasoned argument with someone prepared to ignore and ridicule you. Hit em back twice as hard.
Great job Roosh.
Nonpareil wrote: Wow, the comments section on the article has everything;
– NAWALT Trolling.
– ‘You hate women!’ Trolling.
– ‘You can’t handle strong womyn!’ Trolling.
– ‘I’m a male Feminist and Roosh is a cunt!’ Trolling.
– Projection Trolling (‘If you say they’re ugly, you must be ugly too, because only ugly people say other people are ugly!’).
– ‘This is bullying/hate speech!’ Trolling.
– ‘Well yeah…but men are ugly and fat too!’ Trolling.
When the best-looking of the nine is like a 3 (saying which of these hogs is the most attractive is like saying someone is the world’s smartest retard, but at least Valenti – after substantial clean-up and makeup magic, would look like a woman) what Roosh is saying is true. You know why there aren’t any attractive feminists? Attractive women don’t need to henpeck the government to get men to give them what they want.
Volk wrote: I wonder how those ugly feminists will do when they sit around with their nieces (daughters? yeah right) and they ask them about their fun, beautiful years, and the only thing they can come up with is “Well, I did write a lot about things that amounted to nothing”. They won’t be able to tell them about summer romances, or fun times when they were young and pretty because they were never pretty and in their heads, they were never young. So, there you go feminist guests, remember my words for the future. It’s still time to say at least, that you had a great time, unless your definition of fun is “Gripe about everything” and “Think about the cat” (In that case, rust in peace ladies)
I knew the majority of self-described feminists were unapologetic land yachts and Freddy Krueger stunt doubles, but even I was unprepared for some of those on the list. Careful gentlemen: staring too long may lead to attraction to the same sex. Be sure to combat any negative side effects by finding a beautiful feminine girl and blowing on her face.
Saw this all the time in Massachusetts; doesn’t matter if they’re Ivy League educated. The minute you call an ugly Harvard girl ugly, the mask of sardonic professionalism and snark drops and they instantly revert back to catty behavior and name-calling. Small dick insinuations are common, as are accusations of being a rapist, a pedophile, ugly yourself, or (my personal favorite) “not a real man.”
Remember they’re herd animals that spook easily. They can’t really help it; they’ve been conditioned to think their disgusting appearance and attitude are appealing, and when someone they can’t destroy with their mastery of LOLsarcasm comes along, they instantly turn into their true form: ugly, whiny fat girls.
From a feminist:
I love everything about this.
Not only does it demonstrate situational feminism at its finest, but also that radical feminism’s power lies almost solely in appeal to authority.
Aasaxon wrote: Priceless reaction to the lindy west photo: my Thai girl of the night saw me browsing this thread and squeaked ” cuuuute” when she saw ms west. I thought she was trying to joke but she adores that screenshot. I wondered if fat acceptance was now fashionable in Thailand until she screamed ” piggy! Piggy cute”. The girl just recently saw the muppet show for the first time and thought this was a ” real actress version” of the ms piggy puppet.
ghostdog wrote: Women are not capable of receiving negative feedback, AT ALL.
they don’t even really understand that ROK branding them ugly, means they’re ugly down to every goddamn atom. If these women were warm, feminine, and argued logically, they’d be left alone. Camille Paglia is not attractive but the manosphere likes her.
They’re ugly because their way of handling their own ugliness is to make the rest of the world just as ugly, to lead beautiful women astray, to increase Downs Syndrome odds, and to be abrasive towards everyone and everything without reason.
I’ve met women who were ugly and fat who were actually tolerable. I can understand that life happens, people fuck up, nature isn’t fair, that fatness has the same foundation as any other addiction, and that it’s hard to find meaning in the modern world. These specific feminists aren’t human though. They write articles solely for the purpose of keeping other women in their ruts. They’re sociopaths.
I’m being particularly vicious towards these cunts because in recent years I’ve become very aware of the female hierarchy. Women can’t take the red pill overnight like men because they’re deathly afraid of other women. Feminist ideology gets ingrained in their psyches like a parasite, eating up all potential to love and be human. Valenti and the rest of them are basically watching over as all women go down the same conveyer belt towards misery while barring men from stopping this.
Thedude3737 wrote: In reading those tweets, it’s interesting to classify the male and female responses. Women tend to react to it with mockery, while men react with actual anger and disgust. It seems that men are actually more angered.
Just goes to show you who the real enemy is here.
tmason wrote: Well, since the damage has already been done, here is a link to a popular feminist blog, Shakesville, where all of the regulars posted pictures of each other.
I dare someone to find one, ONE, good looking picture of someone on there.
Rawgod wrote: Yeah, that’s really incredible. It’s not just a slight bias towards the ugly and overweight, it’s overwhelming.
thedude3737 wrote: That Shakesville site is a veritable GOLDMINE: These, dear friends, THESE are what feminists look like. These are the voices who are dictating our post-modern social policies.
Head over to that site for more epic
Blackhawk wrote: What a load of spinsters. They should rename Shakesville as “The Old Maid Club”.
(Old Maid is a children’s card game in the US.
All the cards are in pairs except the Old Maid. No one wants to get stuck with the Old Maid.)
Architekt wrote: For anyone that actually saw the post, here’s something for your eyes
Hotwheels wrote: 50 bux says that broad is NOT a feminist
Anyone who has ever ran a website or a blog is familiar with the unending assault of spam bots your filter hopefully picks up every day. Many of us laugh at a particular bot that plagues WordPress blogs known as “lista de email”, which, through the weekend, blew up my filter with 344 separate comments telling me how fantastic, smart, and knowledgeable I am before recommending 10-20 foreign, virus infested links to click
on.
Unfortunately, spam filters aren’t always bulletproof and the results can be devastating when they fail. Bots invade comment sections or inboxes with links to fleshlights, magical dick enlarging pills, and necrophilia videos, pissing everyone off (but a select few) and ending whatever conversation was going on.
However, spam filters need updating to keep up with the latest technology as Juan the Peruvian programmer/hacker is a pretty fucking smart guy, and I am here to tell you developers are failing. New breeds of spam bots have slowly been proliferating the manosphere, ones like no one has seen before, and the filters are helpless. It could be Skynet, it could be some diabolical AI-Human hybrid, nobody knows. What we do know, though, is that these spam bots aren’t content with dropping tranny porn or vaginal rejuvination links- No!- these bots aim for nothing less than the total hijacking of all manosphere comments sections until men’s souls are sucked dry, writers beat their heads on the wall, and conversation reaches kindergarten levels of discourse.
Luckily, Fly Fresh and Barbaric is on the scene, and CSI aint got shit on us. We’ve been tracking this phenomena for months now, and after dozens of black light bulbs, semen samples, and hours spent taking our sunglasses off gazing into the distance before commercial break, we are alarmed at our findings. Manospambot sightings have increased exponentially over the half year, and many blogs are thoroughly infested. Like kudzu they creep in, strangling discourse, crowding out true contributors, and scaring away visitors. A comment here, and comment there, and before you know it people are reading threads and then calling the manosphere creepy, bitter, and close minded. Soon,
nobody will write anything, ever, for fear of invoking their onslaught.
Now that we’ve alerted you of this grave national security issue, let’s take a look at some of these Manospambots so you can know what to watch out for.
Don’tGetMarriedBot
This particular Manospambot can be found anywhere women are mentioned. Despite years of common agreement among most of us in the sphere that marriage is a pretty raw deal, DontGetMarriedBot feels like everyone needs a reminder in every comment thread he happens upon. Proud of his unique and special insight, one that no one has made, ever, he loudly proclaims to anyone and everyone that whatever topic is being discussed, this is why he isn’t getting married. If anyone does mention marriage, he is sent into a spiraling rage, frothing at the mouth that anyone would so fucking stupid as to even consider marriage.
Told a story where you hooked up with a chick? “THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER GET MARRIED!”
Said, in passing, that you don’t look down on married dudes? “MARRIAGE IS FOR PUSSIES AAARGH!”
Famous dude got married? “FUCK! MARRIAGE! IDIOT!”
Look, we’re not exactly endorsing marriage over here but let’s be real. DontGetMarriedBot- You’re a fag. No one cares. Some people are going to get married, and some people aren’t, some people are loyal as fuck, and others are going to cheat, some people will have awesome marriages, and others won’t, and none of them are going to change their mind because of you. Just because you can get other DontGetMarriedBots to agree with you and pat you on the back for your amazing insights, in caps lock no less, doesn’t award you any points in life, or the internet.
SlutsAreEvilBot
This Manospambot is fucking everywhere, and everybody loses when they show up. According to these bots, any girl who has sex outside of marriage or has a drunken hook up is soulless and unworthy of basic human decency or life in general. But come on, look around, there aren’t that many gingers. While it’s commonly recognized that incredibly slutty chicks are usually bad girlfriends or wives, SlutsAreEvilBots are convinced every girl around them is dripping in jizz and a total fucking whore. They use the term “sport fuck” and “cock carousel” gratuitously because real ballers say that in real life conversations, and if you didn’t know any better, every girl in this country is gangbanged on a nightly basis.
The fact of the matter is, there are plenty of cool, fun chicks out there with a wide variety of notch counts. The vast, vast majority of chicks are not getting plugged by fresh dick every weekend, and a solid majority of women have a few long term boyfriends and maybe a ONS or two before getting married. Just stay away from the Paris Hilton types and single moms and you’ll be alright.
MGTOWBot
This Manospambot might be the most annoyingly determined of all. Like DontGetMarriedBot, it is around to offer its always original, one size fits all advice: Go your own way ya dingus! Unlike regular MGTOWs who keep to themselves, MGTOWBot is like and Evangelical hanging around outside of substance abuse sessions, ready to pounce on the weak and disillusioned with their promise of riches and glory. The best part: No effort required!
Got rejected? Go your own way!
Game is hard? That’s why he’s going his own way!
Not meeting women’s standards? Ghost, motherfucker!
Captain of industry who is clearly not getting the rewards he deserves? Yeah I’m going Galt, bitches.
Nobody ever said shit was easy, but MGTOWBot thinks everything should have been handed to him on a platter. Women, success, you name it. He doesn’t want to improve, or try, or take any risks, so when the going gets hard… he jerks it off. Not content to wallow in his pussitis, he feels an incredible need to proselytize anyone that does or doesn’t pay him any attention, derailing comment threads with his Own Way Oaths.
AmericanGirlsSuckBot
While there is a general agreement that gender relations are kind of fucked up in America and that there a lot of women acting like slobs around here, AmericanGirlsSuckBot takes that shit to a whole ‘nother level. Everything that is wrong with this country can be laid at the feet of women. Every American chick is fat, every American chick is a ballbusting cunt, and every American girl dresses like a dude. When one rejects you, she is an ungrateful bitch. Fact.
Similar to SlutsAreEvilBot, this bot has never once met an American girl that was worthy of his sought after attention. They’re all shit. All of them. And you should expat yesterday. Try and dispute this with your own experience or the experiences of countless other dudes you know, and you’re in for a world of annoying text. One would think that these bots use all of this to excuse their failures, but that would be too obvious, it can’t be that.
We’re not going to dispute that there are a lot of fucked up fatass chicks out there,or deny there are plenty of cunts out there- that would be false. We’re not even trying to defend them, but come on, there are plenty of cool, non bitchy, sexy, man pleasing chicks out there as well. We have been with plenty of them. But here’s the catch: You have to, you know, be attractive yourself in order to get one.
AmericanGirlsSuckBot’s insistence upon continued blanket statements about American women in comment threads, regardless of topic, reveal more about him than American women.
BetaBetaBetaBot
Finally, let’s take a look at the most retarded Manospambot out there: BetaBetaBetaBot. In all his infinite wisdom, glory, and game, he finds ways to deem just about everyone under the sun “beta”. Had a
girlfriend? Beta. Been in love? Beta. Bought a girl a drink? Beta, regardless of outcome. Brad Pitt? Beta. Disagreed with the geographer? Beta.
Look, these guys wrote the Book of Alpha so don’t you fuck with them. They know way more than you about what constitutes a real fucking man, so shut your piehole cause you don’t know shit. Regardless of their definition of Alpha, nobody fits except them, so don’t get too depressed.
Not only are they gatekeepers to the Realm Of All That Is Alpha (And Obviously Isn’t), their game is off the charts, they’ve never fucked up, and they always know what you could have done better. The best part: They’ll let you know, repeatedly.
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The sphere is a pretty cool place. We’ve got a concentration of writing talent, real world experience, and intellect like few places have ever seen before. With all the writing on manliness, game,
lifestyle, economics, whatever, it’s like a virtual Masonic Lodge, except most of us aren’t as old as Private Man, don’t wear fez hats, and don’t ride mini karts in July Fourth parades.
People wonder why the manosphere doesn’t spread a fast as it should, and there are two overarching reasons – Political Incorrectness, and Manospambots that shit all over comment threads, scaring away visitors with their butthurt, bitterness, and gratuitous amounts of sand pouring from their vaginas. One of those two reasons can be changed tomorrow.
Now that you know what your robotic spam enemy looks like, feel free to read a blog or two. Just remember – Don’t get married to some evil slut American girl without going your own way, you fucking
betabetabetabetabeta.
Bronan The Barbarian! says: The problem is, manosphere blogs are like medicine. A small dose cures you, too much kills you. Some dudes get incredibly bitter and humorless after repeated exposure.
We all know how extremely complicated instincts can get, by watching the behavior of freshly hatched animals.
Women also have the most amazingly specific genetically encoded instincts. Whenever someone is critical of women as a group, a self appointed representative of all females will automatically come back with something like “If you disagree with the female stance, watch out, because WE will not fuck you, and we can declare you as unfuckable”. “If you disagree with women it means you are angry at women because women aren’t fucking you”. Or more simply “No girl would want to fuck you because you have a small dick”. Somehow these aren’t just memes – these come backs are hard coded into DNA. I’m not joking. It’s an instinct. Be critical of women and women will attempt to slander your sexual attractiveness and claim to have God like cock blocking powers.
Phinn said: There’s something about the religious mindset that fosters your (Matt King A’s) kind of hypocrisy. I think it comes from the incredible amount of double-think that is required to maintain religious thinking. Religious thinking depends entirely on splitting and projection — a constant monitoring of one’s self, a complete inability to cope with most of one’s emotions, and the relentless rejection of most of your own mind as “bad” and intolerable.
Rather than accept and cope with it, the religious mindset requires that this part of the self be denied and compartmentalized through all sorts of endless magical labels and other defense mechanisms.
Doing this every day for 20 or 30 years makes a person highly adept at self-ignorance and self-contradiction.
Pointing this out usually provokes a highly religious person into a rage outburst, because the rage is just another defense mechanism, designed to help keep the lid on all that repression. Taking that away from a religious person is like taking away someone’s oxygen.
Magic doesn’t exist, Matt, except as a figment of the imagination. Reality may be messy sometimes, but you really don’t have to be afraid of it.
Fundamentalists freak me out. Not only because they are so eager to invest authority with scary powers, or even because they tend to have an excessive need for “purity”, but because they have shadow and projection issues. They have not made friends with their inner demons, and so when confronted with them project them out onto the outside world. “my last girlfriend was cheating on a dude in the suburbs and her three kids to sneak up and fuck me ten times a week and YOU guys shouldn’t have sex outside of committed marriage! YOU guys are nihilists! And narcissistic parasites!”
The internal empathy and compassion is so lacking that the hatred gets misdirected onto everyone else. Instead of just making friends with the human condition and not holding unreasonable standards, they have to compartmentalize good and evil, and then project out the evil onto others. “Do not forgive them Father, for it was not I that sinned, it was them!”
Fundamentalists view more porn than other groups. The hypocrasy is scary. I mean really scary. These people will scape goat anything that reminds them of their own inner natures.
Then all the while they are shitting and pissing on the world, think that they are holier than thou, and are actually being benevolent and helpful.
A bunch of downers.
Snoeperd said: To me all people who try to get other people to conform to some preconceived standards are the same people: people that can’t come to terms with the fact that their own individual lives aren’t that important and try to gain power by threatening others with unhappiness so that they act, not in accord with own interests but with the interests of the “condemner”.
When I mention that whore-mongers don’t seem to notice that paying for sex is usually lessening the intimacy, and therefore pleasure in their lives, I get extreme hate. People wind up claiming that since I’m in SEA, therefore all my loved ones are all prostitutes, and that I’ve not experienced genuine affection or intimacy. One guy called me a hack – as if my poor writing skills were relevent to the truth of his inability to value intimacy. It seems to me that pointing out that there is the possibility of romance is the same as telling some guys “You don’t love yourself, you don’t love others, and no one loves you. You are living your life wrong. You fail at life” And so when I mention my view on whore-mongering I get the most extreme hate, and any possible attempt at completely invalidating me. Not just my arguments, me. I’m lying, I’m exaggerating, I’m a duped chump, blah blah blah. Basically the whore-mongers try to bring me down to their level – denying that romance is something that women feel. Because if romance was a thing that happens to people who know how to get it, then it would be true that they were missing out on something that others find deeply valuable.
*Intentionally Interpreting Any Criticism as an Insult
“Who is he to call me lazy and worthless! A good person would never talk to me like this! He wrote this whole thing just to feel superior to me and to make me feel bad about my life! I’m going to think up my own insult to even the score!”
*Focusing on the Messenger to Avoid Hearing the Message
“Who is THIS guy to tell ME how to live? Oh, like he’s so high and mighty! It’s just some dumb writer on the Internet! I’m going to go dig up something on him that reassures me that he’s stupid, and that everything he’s saying is stupid! This guy is so pretentious, it makes me puke! I watched his old rap video on YouTube and thought his rhymes sucked!”
*Focusing on the Tone to Avoid Hearing the Content
“I’m going to dig through here until I find a joke that is offensive when taken out of context, and then talk and think only about that! I’ve heard that a single offensive word can render an entire book invisible!”
When men talk about how to deal with surprise babies, usual advice is to amp up your natural feelings of warmth and care for your offspring. The natural emotional response to remind yourself of the manly values of duty and responsibility.
These are archetypal, ancestral, instinctual emotions that you can tap into. Because of that your brain is wired to receive rewards for them. Rewards that feel meaningful.
I also find meaning in my life by tapping into reward centers associated with oxytocin. Maybe oxytocin and a sense of meaning are connected – I’d guess so. I find meaning by valuing my loved ones – even when I know that love is temporary and is a kind of pleasant illusion.
And because what we find meaningful becomes our ego invested world view, people are bound to get deeply irritated and uncomfortable when what they invest meaning in is questioned. I don’t like people calling my loved ones whores, for instance – I find that type of thing very distasteful, and even a bit sociopathic – not quite human.
But there is another workable emotional response to oops babies, that I’m sure others will also consider inhumane. There is the emotional option to just blow the whole thing off. A guy can make peace with it, and move on, and rarely think about it again.
And that’s what a lot of guys choose to do regarding dealing with women. Blow off the circuits that develop bonding, love, and a sense of warm purpose.
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If my time portal had ample credits, I’d send a printout of this blog back to my younger self. But that’s not how others read my intentions; I’m not trying to share knowledge that can help some who vibe with it find a bit more happiness and satisfaction in their lives. No, this is all a
game of one upmanship, and the way to relate to it is by playing a king of the hill game against me – try to knock me off this pedestal I’m trying to put myself on. Never mind if what I’m saying is true or useful or not – it’s not about that – it’s about relative position on the hill.
Well, there is a very good reason why people do that. Just as I get irked when people try to invalidate what I invest meaning in, other people get irked when meaning is said to exist where they don’t want to see it. Love? Bonding? A warm feeling in the heart as you wake up in the morning?! No way, all women are to be pumped and dumped, and all your girls are South East Asian whores. And you’re an idiot for ever imagining otherwise. And “good luck” (as in I please have bad luck) not getting ass raped in court or otherwise fucked over by the ulterior motives of the pussy-borg.
People get invested in cynicism, because it means that they don’t even have to try.
White guys get a free coupon at the airport for a girl like this
Anon-A-Moose Wrote: Xsplat probably hasn’t dealt with the “new” generation of women in their 20s in urban areas like DC. These women are devoid of the concept of honor, of loyalty, of family, or of the meaning of love. All they know is iphones, “feelings” which is actually hamsterism, and vain status-whoring. They’re “women” only in the physical sense, otherwise they’re basically consumerist herd-animals. Tragic, but we have to adapt or die.
I think that might compare to the player girls out East. There are girls who date for fun and profit, and are hard core about it. SEA is pretty famous for it, actually. For some men that’s their first eye opener to the nature of women.
There are so many misconceptions about what it is that actually goes on out here. Not only do you get your girls with traditional values of looking for a virtuous marriage, but you also find professional girlfriends with a few hundred numbers on their phones and complete familiarity with internet access to suitors.
You can play a player. A man can turn the tables on a parallel-dating girl, and get her to fall. That’s a fun reward, when the girl who thought she was playing you eventually looks up to you in wonderment and says “Daddy, why I love you Daddy? You no rich, you no handsome. Why I love you?”
” All they know is iphones, “feelings” which is actually hamsterism, and vain status-whoring. They’re “women” only in the physical sense, otherwise they’re basically consumerist herd-animals. ”
Come to SEA and check things out. But before you do, count the percent of women who are habitually toying with their Blackberries before you go. Then on arrival make a new survey and compare the numbers. And if spending 3 months salary to get a phone as good as your friends is a sign of consumerism, then all signs point to SEA being a world leader for herd animal consumerism.
And if you want to talk about cock hopping, the SEA girls are more than willing to compete for another world record. Ever fuck a girl while she’s chatting on the phone with her fiance?
The world is a small place. It’s not nearly as different as people think.
Some people have a black and white view of what changes out here, and so lose track of what stays the same. If going to SEA boosts your value, how much of a value boost do you get? Infinite? Would you be able to expect to thereby break into the social circles of the rich and famous through your white skin? It doesn’t work that way, and can work against you. While some Thai high-sos would consider a Westerner for novelty sex, not many would invite him home to meet the mom and pop. In Thailand it’s only the low status girls who gain status by dating a Westerner.
You get stilts. Standing on stilts you can reach more apples. But the stilts don’t allow you to reach the top of the tree – they are only 5 foot stilts. If you are young and of average or better looks to begin with, you’ll reach a hell of a lot of apples. But if you are old and noticeably below average in physical attraction, it’s not the free for all that the handsome guys experience. It’s a completely different world.
Attractive guys imagine that everyone is awarded 10 leveling points at the airport that enables them to slay all women. Hand those 10 leveling points to an ugly broke 75 year old and who is he going to slay at the Bali nightclub full of Australian surfer dudes? You get a relative boost, not an absolute one. And no matter how handome you are, the effect is limited – it’s not a full access pussy pass to women of all hotness and social statures. There are going to be women you have to work for, and there are going to be women you can’t get.
Even in SEA your actions affect your outcome. Why anyone would think otherwise is a mystery to me, but I tend to think it has to do with having some sort of agenda. There is no place on the planet where you can’t learn to hone your actions to better deal with the cross-cultural hind-brain oriented beast that is woman. And 90% of what is woman is cross cultural.
And it’s both true that women move on quickly and are shallow in emotional affect, and that they fall deeply and can pine for a man for ages. That’s true in any county. The alpha widow experience is rare in all countries, but is another cross-cultural constant. You don’t automatically provoke that by having white skin in a poorer country, anymore than a rich banker-in-a-beemer is going to automatically provoke that in a trailer trash girl. That kind of deep conversion requires a honed ability to get deeply under a girls skin – and that is something that talented men can learn. That happens through his actions.
I know I’m going to get hate for this, but I’m just going to be blunt. Again. If you aren’t getting deeply under the skin of the woman, the major factor of that is you and your actions. If you haven’t done that yet, then going to SEA isn’t going to have you automatically doing it here. As attested to by the many guys here who don’t perform deep conversions with the SEA talent. Even the young and handsome trust fundie guys don’t get free access to deep conversion. Here or anywhere. The process is subtle, and requires innate talent, learning, or both. And it’s something you can get better at, no matter where you live. Because the process involves dealing with women at a very instinctual level – a level that is pre-cultural.
The world is a small place. The more of it you see, the smaller it gets.
It’s not just in SEA where a man can invoke romance out of a girl. Nor is it just in the West. If a guy has never performed a deep conversion, his life experiences will lead him to believe that such a thing is fiction and that girls aren’t romantic in any deep way. I’m not going to be able to go against a man’s life experiences enough to convince him of a whole new way of relating with women. But maybe your peers can. There are many men in our manosphere community who routinely perform deep conversions. In your own time and places. If you can’t fit the data that they provide into your world view, then examine your world view.
In Jakarta you occasionally see roving bands of beta boys, all dressed in black, carrying sticks. They are the Muslim enforcers of social conduct. They’ll raid discos to shut them down, they’ll scream and pout, and make a lot of noise.
Generally they are seen as an irritant. They aren’t respected. Their antics are not getting them fucked or married. Disco life is more popular than ever.
In my last post I made the point that advocating to others a low socio-sexual score lifestyle doesn’t work. It used to work, when communities were smaller. But even in coconut grove villages in Indonesia, due to the advent of widely available birth control, the internet and easy travel, there are different opportunities and costs and benefits to actions. A girl isn’t bound for life by the gossip of her neighbors, and flying to Bali for the weekend isn’t going to get her pregnant. So it doesn’t matter what the Imam and the boys in black say. She’s going to go to Bali for the weekend.
In the comments section of my last post ASDF and Solomon took offense to my stance. ASDF went so far as to label me with shameful epithets. I’m a nihilist, and a parasite.
One of my responses:
I’m not telling anyone to avoid marriage nor am I denying that some men find purpose and meaning in having kids. Go for it, if that’s what works for you.
I’m talking here about the likelyhood of convincing other people to follow the same path.
I understand that for you it’s important to feel a part in a greater whole, and without that life lacks meaning. I personally believe that it’s a failure of imagination and the resulting arrogance of solipsism that fails to see that other people might find meaning and satisfaction outside of family life. I don’t think it does you or your argument any favors to casually toss around the term nihilist at those who have lifestyles that you don’t want to emulate.
But whether your favorite lifestyle is the best or not has nothing to do with what I’m saying in this post. I’m saying that men and women are barely affected by the shaming tactics such as you are using here. Do you expect me to change my lifestyle because of your comment? Has anyone ever emailed you and said “wow, thank so much, you changed my worldview, and now I’m going to think about settling down and having kids and getting married?”
We can debate it, and I could be wrong – but if we are going to debate something it would be good to at least agree on what we are debating. All I’m saying here is that the effort to get men and women who we are not intimately involved with to conform to social and sexual standards is futile. I’m not making any comment on the value and validity of those standards. I’m just saying making that effort is a useless waste of time.
And at the very least, it won’t give the individual the hand he needs in his relationships. That will only come from individual effort.
I’ll drop this quote from Iknowexactly from the RooshVForum here:
As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, everyone has different proclivity for pair-bonding and it’s important to know your own level, so slobs can find sluts and “betas” like me can find good girls.
Where people go wrong is assuming their own view is the only one.
For instance, some players think no one can be happy in a 1:1 relationship, and some betas think sluts and slobs are monsters.
Back, back, back to the wisdom of the ancient oracle: Know thyself.
Also, you often talk about dopamine. Some of us are more about the oxytocin. You strike me as more of oxytocin kind of a guy. People get oxytocin rushes when they watch close family members get married, or when they perform charity, or when they are with their closest loved ones – be they grandchildren or fresh young lovers.
I think you’ll find you understand what other people are saying with greater comprehension if you allow that your view is not the only possibility – not all of us can find life satisfaction in the way that works best for you. Some of us would be absolutely misearable working towards what you consider is a “greater good”.
People have varied socio-sexual scores, and you can’t argue people out of one tendency towards another. The human condition is a condition of castes, and no matter how much you value the family man caste, evolution says that all niches will be filled, as nature abhors a vacuum.
And again – back to my main point. REGARDLESS of the value of your favored caste, it NO LONGER works to have it as the male strategy to lets-all-band-together-and-promote-lifetime-monogamy-where-the-girls-marry-young. It is not working now, and is not going to start working in the future.
Describing reality as it is is a whole different game than talking about what would be a nice thing to aim for. If the aim is unrealistic, then all the talk of utopia is just a sidetrack from enjoying this real reality the best we can.
And if you are getting in the way of enjoying this real reality, you are diminishing the quality of life for yourself and others. Which is the opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.
‘…when something is detestable, and yet inevitable, what one must do is not merely to endure it–a hard task whatever one may do—but find an excuse for loving it. Everything is a matter of points of view, and misfortune is often only the sign of a false interpretation of life.’
I’m not very familiar with the current thinking in the GTOW crowd, so I’m making my comments based on the few guys I’ve heard from, plus comments here at mgtowforums.com
C’mon, where do you get off judging anyone?
I’m not sure if “judging” people is exactly what I’m doing. You might want to look up attachment in adults and attachment disorder on wikipedia, and see if that resonates at all. I’d be curious.
It is surprising to me that there are men who choose to be asexual, as that strikes me as an anhedonic lifestyle. But the stranger thing to me is how they can’t understand how others would live differently.
I don’t expect to convert anyones beliefs, as this is about emotional satisfaction, however I’m trying to use words to explain to the MGTOW guys why others find their lifestyle as a poor choice for hedonism.
From the Wikipedia article:
Secure attachment
Securely attached people tend to agree with the following statements: “It is relatively easy for me to become emotionally close to others. I am comfortable depending on others and having others depend on me. I don’t worry about being alone or having others not accept me.” This style of attachment usually results from a history of warm and responsive interactions with relationship partners. Securely attached people tend to have positive views of themselves and their partners. They also tend to have positive views of their relationships. Often they report greater satisfaction and adjustment in their relationships than people with other attachment styles. Securely attached people feel comfortable both with intimacy and with independence. Many seek to balance intimacy and independence in their relationship.
Dismissive–avoidant attachment
People with a dismissive style of avoidant attachment tend to agree with these statements: “I am comfortable without close emotional relationships.”, “It is very important to me to feel independent and self-sufficient”, and “I prefer not to depend on others or have others depend on me.” People with this attachment style desire a high level of independence. The desire for independence often appears as an attempt to avoid attachment altogether. They view themselves as self-sufficient and invulnerable to feelings associated with being closely attached to others. They often deny needing close relationships. Some may even view close relationships as relatively unimportant. Not surprisingly, they seek less intimacy with relationship partners, whom they often view less positively than they view themselves. Investigators commonly note the defensive character of this attachment style. People with a dismissive–avoidant attachment style tend to suppress and hide their feelings, and they tend to deal with rejection by distancing themselves from the sources of rejection (i.e., their relationship partners).
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And by the way, most of the commentors at your forum come across as childish trolls. The level of social discourse over there is miles below what you would see on a PUA forum, such as rooshvforum.com.
Which leads me to believe that the lifestyle choice is not much of a choice at all. You guys are basically socially inept, and so have no clue as to how to get women to be in a stable and meaningful love relationship with you. That the commentors find the idea of male dominance being strange proves my point – you guys have no romantic clue.
Which is fine by me. But the weird part is you can’t imagine that wanting intimacy and sex is anything other than a hindrance to a more “free” life. You simply refuse to let that image of emotional and sexual satisfaction into your head.
While I, on the other hand, nearly became a full time monk, have lived like a monk, and have lived like a hermit.
It’s surprising to me that no one on the forum wants to consider that the reasons they have been unable to find healthy and meaningful and positive relationships with women is because he is doing it wrong. And when a guy like me shows an alternate approach, a “red pill” approach, based on masculine dominance, you guys universally decry it.
I’m working to help guys find pleasure, you are working to help guys avoid pain. But my way also avoids most of the pain.
And I understand all the risks about dealing with women, and talk in detail about how to manage them. You guys just assume that any risk is worth no amount of reward. And what’s worse is you give no clue that you are even capable of perceiving what the rewards of being with loving women can even be.
I’d be very interested in seeing photos of the members. I imagine them a bit pudgy and man breasted, lacking in any signs of testosterone, and I imagine the friends they surround themselves with to be similar. It just never occurred to me that grown men would promote an asexual lifestyle, especially without a very strong meditative reason to focus 100% of all available energies to a purpose. And even then, without some community based religious reason, it strikes me as very odd. Ok – now you can say I’m judging you guys. I think something is wrong with your endocrine systems. And judging by your comments section, many of you don’t show any signs of having a testosteronized brain; you are emotional thinkers with a thinking style similar to women. Not enough testosterone since before birth, and a dramatic lack even now.
I would bet real dollars that your average testosterone level is dramatically low, and I’d also wager your average estrogen levels are noticeably high.
Basically, you guys talk as if you are pre-pubescent and have only the most shallow possible understanding of adult sexual relations. Socio-sexual under-development. And from that stance you claim to be in a position of giving advice to expert practitioners of sex and relationship.
I believe that some people are born with the capacity to develop an organ of perception; the perception of ideas fitting together congruently; the perception of a logical arrangement of thought. And some are not. Some people think emotionally. Women are known to “think” emotionally, and can at times be incapable of following a logical train of thought or seeing where the logical steps break down. Men also can be that way, but women tend to be that way more so and more often.
But some of us naturally and instantly notice logical inconsistencies. We wonder why others can’t see them, and so helpfully point them out.
We are never met with thanks. People not only have difficulty understanding, but it’s much worse. They actively try to not hear. They actively avoid putting together the pictures in their mind that will lead to their having a new, more logically consistent understanding.
That’s how emotional thinking works. And of course even the logical thinkers are prone to cognitive dissonance, but at least with us we have an innate value for truth as a value in and of itself, and so we can be communicated with – even if it’s at times a slow process. We’d rather take the pain of facing cognitive dissonance while adjusting to truth than not feel that pain and avoiding truth.
Sometimes lately I’m noticing myself not starting in on an argument, and not even bothering to correct peoples views, when I see that they are heavily ego invested in them. I know from long experience that when that’s the case logic won’t enter into it, and I’ll be wasting every ones time. The person with the inconsistent views will view me as attacking them, and won’t be able to even imagine alternate views, let alone take them on and integrate them into a new way of being.
I find that MGTOW (men going their own way) guys with a strong bias against intimacy and a strong bias towards being self reliant to the point of being an island onto themselves can be extremely defensive of their emotional stance, and reject the very notion of a positive and fulfilling intimacy – as if on philosophical grounds. They decry “looking for external validation”, or in any way using the people in our environment to find any sort of social or even sexual fulfillment. They deny basic human desires. They worship a LACK of libido. They find freedom in a lack of desire. They see that a less complicated life, where one doesn’t have to struggle for any externally measurable successes is more “free”, rather than seeing a successful life as more fulfilling. They value ease over satisfaction. They take the maxim “be satisfied with little” to absurd extremes, to the point where it is anti-social and anti-human. They avoid pleasures in order to avoid pain. They simplify the funs and joys and heartbreaks of life down to a muted dull grey, and call that “freedom”.
And when they come across the manosphere notion of making oneself as attractive as possible and heightening testosterone and libido and dealing with and manipulating women successfully in order to gain the many associated pleasures, they only see negatives. They CAN NOT even see, let alone remember, what it was ever like to have a woman be head over heels in love with them and treating them well, and CAN NOT comprehend that as a positive value worth striving for, in order to increase quality of life.
Someone from an MGTOW forum started a thread about my last post, 5 Days of Impotence. I was thinking to post some of the comments here and rebut, but some of the comments are distastefully hateful. And it’s the venom in them that made me realize that these guys are not just advocating a lifestyle, they are protecting one. Ego protection.
I used to live a life devoted to lowering testosterone. Yes, it does come with a lot of freedom, and has many benefits.
Now I live a life devoted to raising testosterone. That also comes with many benefits.
I’ve lived and seen both lifestyles intimately. I used to live in a Buddhist monastery, and have lived as a hermit yogi on long solitary forest meditation retreats – up to 3 months at a time. I know what it’s like to live with one meal a day and no masturbation and no entertainments. And I know what it’s like to live in meditation community centers. And to be married with a kid. And to be a travelling salesman. And to travel to new lands as an entrepreneur and have a very socially and sexually active lifestyle.
I valued the time I spent being more self sufficient. Some of it was quite happy, and it was what I wanted to do at the time. However I’d not recommend that as a permanent lifestyle choice.
For the capable man, there are much more difficult roads to navigate. Roads with more stress, and greater challenges, where pain, frustration, and heartbreak are certain. This is the path that focuses on relationships, mutual love, extremely good sex at the very top end level, fitness, financial success, sports interests, musical interests, and an assortment of hobbies that enhance a rounded out full life, including but never limited to meditative and contemplative interests.
The MGTOW crowd seem to have intimacy avoidance issues, and view normal human emotions and psychological requirements as pathological.
houston wrote: Guys around here need to stop focusing on height and penis size. That shit will bring your self esteem down fast.
Or not.
You know what they say; play to your strengths.
houston: You’re tall as a giant, hung like a horse AND a genius who doesnt associate with low iq peons? You shouldnt waste your time on this forum bruh.
I’m short, ugly, balding and old.
It is what it is.
Just thought it was a strange automatic assumption that dick size has to be a weakness and that focusing on it will cause a loss of self esteem. As if it can’t also be a valuable strength you can use to advantage.
I’ve come to realize that differences piss people off.
Never mention differences! We’re all the same! All differences are trivial and to be whitewashed, glossed over, and avoided in all discussions.
I’m reminded of years back when I used to participate on the thaivisa forum, and there was always a large crowd of people who got vocally upset whenever general differences between cultures were talked about. Wherever there are differences people get so touchy!
What are we, a bunch of hens? “You’re not fat deary! It’s what’s on the inside that counts!” “Oh, you are NOT ugly, sweetheart! And it doesn’t matter how you look! Good men don’t care about shallow stuff like that”.
You play to your strengths, wherever you find them. Even if being public about what they are makes other men jealous, insecure, snide, and aggressive.
houston: I don’t think a guy with a small dick or who’s 5’5 needs to be focusing on those things to much because it will mess with your head. I’m not sure what you’re talking about differences for. I just try to help everyone on here get pussy and keep their self esteem high.
Ya, I get the drill. Play to your strengths, but deny the value of the strengths that you don’t have.
That just gets tricky on a forum, where we all have different strengths. You get so many guys with an emotional need to downplay the advantages of height, or looks, or money, or whatever it is they don’t feel they have an immediate control over. Then when the handsome guys talk about good looking guy game, they get grief. Maybe for making other guys lose self esteem. I don’t know.
Ya, you play to whatever strengths you have, and build up whatever others you can. But denying reality is a short term self esteem building solution that is overall a negative habit.
It doesn’t trouble me that I’m ugly. I don’t think about it, and it doesn’t trouble me that I’m usually the ugliest guy in any room. I find no need to downplay it. It is what it is. I focus on my strengths, rather than diminish my weaknesses.
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Men help each other in a corporate fashion. We don’t try to be fair in how we meet out work to each other, we try to get the job done. We assign each other tasks according to our ambitions, strengths, and drives. In a corporation of men, it’s not about feeling good about yourself, it’s about getting the job done. It’s less about making others feel good about themselves as about fostering skills and assigning tasks according to competence and drive.
Men and women have vastly different office politics.
And social politics.
Coddling each others self esteem is saying “You know, I don’t believe you can handle the truth. Don’t just ignore it – deny it. Reality can only hurt you if you believe in it.”
In any situation, the best attitude available is to accept as many real world facts as possible together into a coherent and logically consistent mental map, while maintaining joy.
Sometimes that means we can’t accept all the facts.
But it’s still best to always strive towards that greater integration. Enjoy this reality.
For men to work as a team to help each other with women, we have to stop downplaying each others strengths with the intent of making those without them feel good about themselves. Men don’t perform team work that way.
A recent post at Rooshv had many whoremongers feeling maligned. They defended themselves with the usual whoremonger missing the point rationalizations.
Why do the defenders of the whoremonger lifestyle go on and on about money? We all pay for sex anyway, so whoremongering saves time and gets us results without bullshit.
Is that really the point to you guys?
I wonder if I’m some aberration to have emotional needs. You guys are so clinical. Have you ever been in love? Have you ever had a woman fall in love with you?
I have women fall in love with me all the time. At least one girl is always in love with me at any given time. For me the greater part of satisfaction is the attentive care the woman gives. Not only does she worship my body like a temple, but will cook and clean and massage on demand, wake me up with a careful meal, go do errands, and take care of any need I can think for her to take care of.
What the hell does that have to do with money? It’s not about money. Who fucking cares how much money you spend? It’s about intimacy.
You whoremongers have forgotten what it was ever like to feel love for a woman and to have one love you.
Sometimes I wonder if you ever knew.
For women, paying them is to pay them so that they won’t want any sort of relationship with you.
One night stands and fuckbuddies are fun. But am I naive to think that most men are built to want more?
I think it’s guys who have no idea what it’s like to have more who rationalize their limited lifestyle as sufficient. Then throw in the red herring of money – how we all pay anyway. So what? The way you guys pay causes the woman to not want to be intimate with you.
The way we pay causes them to become our love slaves.
There is an art to making women fall head over heels hopelessly in love, and keeping them that way. Being good at that art pays off with unique life satisfactions. Whoremongers act as if they really don’t want to know.
I don’t talk much about pick-up on this blog, because I rarely do cold approach. But now I’m seeing pick up is the least of mens worries. Men have forgotten how to manage the women in their lives, and so wind up not wanting to bother being intimate at all. They’ve thrown the baby out with the bathwater, and then pretend that there never was a baby. Yes, women heighten the drama and bullshit in men’s lives, but if you are skilled at handling them, it’s worth it 100 times over.
Thegmanifesto: If you will notice, the haters on here always fit the same profile:
1. Never contribute
2. Always seem jealous
3. Are bitter for some strange reason
4. Always writes like a dork.
5. Always says “pics” or gay internet sayings like “Pics or it didn’t happen”
Good breakdown. That’s what I’ve noticed about haters on any similar site.
I can’t quite figure it out, but think it has something to do with a misunderstanding of the social games that people play. To a hater the conversation is nothing other than a king of the hill game. They want to play too, and think the way to win is to push other people off of the top of the hill. Hence they see no need to contribute anything. And as they are only interested in playing king of the hill, they come across as jealous of those above them. They are bitter because they are inept, and can’t even understand the rules of the game that others are playing around them. They write like a dork because of the general stupidity that has led them to misunderstand the game in the first place. They use cliches because the never have an original thought; see general stupidity.
Some of the haters are troubling. Just knowing that people like manboobs are out there makes the world a worse place. People change up their IPs and post under different names, just to repeat slander and malign someone they don’t know. There are some broken brains out there playing some broken games.
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Hehe,..I guess I should feel honored you’d start a Twitter account just to tell me all of that X.
From what I remember though, you’ve been ‘buying’ young ass in SEA for some time now. I’m not sure how that constitutes ‘seducing’ young ass, but hey, if you feel that what I write should be disregarded as ‘bad teaching’ because I’ve been married for 20 years, you can always look to Roosh for inspiration on how to live a rewarding life.
I still love you X. Yours has always been one of my earliest blog reads and I still pop over from time to time.