Every few years I’ll try to explain to people how lonely it is being on the right end of the bell curve while constantly creatively interested in ideas.

Whenever I do it just furthers the loneliness and alienation, because instead of getting any sort of sympathy or understanding, that just comes across as unjustified arrogance and seriously pisses people off.  “Oh, so you think you’re better than me!”

My life: A never ending quest to find someone who’ll talk about interesting stuff with me.

–  Unknown

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Robin Hanson’s work is often quoted in journals.  His blog Overcoming Bias often talks about how we think with bias; how confirmation bias and political alliance is built right into to our evolved hard wiring for how to think.  I don’t think via political alliance, and many people see this as a flaw; instead of telling it as I see it I’m supposed to maintain solidarity and group think along with everyone else and fit in like a good boy.

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People can’t understand that it’s not possible for me to think creatively while at the same time not being contentious

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I see that I think with less bias than average, and I can link up facts into wide coherent arrays better than just about anyone I’ve ever met.  This is not arrogance, it’s an accurate self assessment.  My mind does not work “normally”.  I suspect that my evolved firmware is of a different caste than other firmwares; my genetics lead me to think differently.

I received this email today:

Hey X,

 

Finally got hooked on your blog this week and spent hours going through your back log.  I’ve actually come across your site at least half a dozen times but never stuck around because it’s quite difficult to navigate.  (I’m sure you know this already, but a ‘Start Here’ or ‘Best Of’ page would be extremely helpful.)

 

If you’re curious, the posts that grabbed my attention were your critiques of Roosh and Rollo.  They echoed many of my own thoughts and gave me some hope that at least one red pill writer knows what the fuck he’s talking about.  Your point about people distorting true concepts (e.g. Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks) until they are cartoonishly simple was spot on.  Very insightful.

 

Anyways, I’m not writing this just to ride your dick.  Your posts on Guardians and Myers-Briggs touched on an area that I’ve explored a lot in the past couple of years. Like many people, I thought MBTI was mostly bullshit and not particularly useful.  However, it’s become a meaningful tool for me and I thought I’d share some of my insights with you.

 

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You mentioned that you had strong artisan traits but tested as an INTJ.  I completely understand, because for years I tested as an INTJ myself.  I think anyone who values rationality and logic highly will tend to test as an INTJ.  (One of many flaws in the available tests.)

 

Over time, I began to question the INTJ label – although I wasn’t great at handling strong emotions, I felt like the cold, Spock-ish description of most INTJs didn’t describe me well.  I started testing as an INFJ instead.  But again, I felt like the description was right for parts of me and very wrong in others.

 

Eventually, I found my type by accident.  It had never once occurred to me that I would fall on the extrovert side of the spectrum.  I’ve always been a loner. Handful of very close friends, everyone else held at arm’s length.  I also have a strong need for ‘me time.’  I used to go crazy when I lived in a barracks because I could never get away to think.

 

And yet, I found that ENTP (known as the ‘most introverted extrovert’)  fit me like a glove, and after reading your stuff I have a strong suspicion you might be an ENTP as well.

 

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I think it’s clear from your writing that you are an NT (a Rational).  Of course, every personality type is capable of thinking rationally, but I think you’ll agree that very few people do it naturally.  If I had to describe the difference, I’d say that other types can use logic and rationality if they stop and think carefully, whereas NTs live in rational mode.  We can’t not see logical flaws and questionable assertions.  It’s just how our brains work.

 

So your writing puts you squarely in the NTs, but what makes me think ENTP specifically?  To understand that, you have to get how the Cognitive Functions operate.  (Obligatory disclaimer: this is pseudo-science, obviously.  MBTI is ultimately just a useful heuristic, not necessarily a factual model for how our minds work.)  That being said, the idea of Cognitive Functions adds a lot of depth to MBTI and does an excellent job of explaining exactly how and why personality types are different.  I won’t bog down this email with a description, but here’s a link if you’re interested.

 

The primary cognitive function of an ENTP is Extraverted Intuition (Ne).  Ne is difficult to describe accurately – it’s much easier to describe actions that are characteristic of it.  Extraverted Intuition constantly scans the environment for possibilities.  It feeds off of ideas and connections and possibilities and always wants more.  People who use Ne are usually avid readers and debaters.  They are curious about anything and everything and absolutely live for that moment when they make a new connection or have an epiphany.

 

You inadvertently gave an excellent description of how Ne works in your post on how to think creatively.  That process you describe is basically systematic Extraverted Intuition.  Comparing things to connect them in interesting ways, or looking at a situation and instantly seeing what isn’t there – and what could be there, if someone were to make it happen.

 

So, why do I think you lead with Ne?  For starters, there are the hundreds and hundreds of comments you’ve left on forums and blogs in the manosphere.  Ne users need to ‘feed’ their Ne by consuming content and discussing it with others.  Personally, I love – and need – to talk through my thoughts with other people (even if the ‘conversation’ only consists of reading a blog post and formulating a response). I read stuff from people I disagree with regularly – Jezebel and Ta-Nahisi Coates, for example.  The act of reading and thinking through their writing forces me to sharpen my own position and tease apart the truth from the falsehoods.

 

Another tell-tale sign of Ne – you consistently use analogies to make your points.  The way that you tie music into all sorts of seemingly unrelated topics is an excellent marker of Extraverted Intuition.

 

Entrepreneurship is another indicator.  You see problems or areas of potential improvement and are motivated to bring those thoughts into reality.

 

You have broad interests – music, dancing, writing, business, game.  Ne again.

 

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That explains the E, N, and T.  What about the P?  Well, the difference between P and J is another source of confusion, but the simplest explanation is that P’s prefer to keep their options open, whereas J’s prefer to have things settled as soon as possible.

 

So, why P?  It’s obvious, to me anyways.  You prefer to have a series of multiple LTRs instead of picking one girl and sticking with her forever.  You prefer to be a serial entrepreneur who is continually starting new ventures and seeking new challenges instead of settling into a single business or career.  Strong indicators of P over J.

 

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I’ll conclude this rather long email with some descriptions and thoughts about ENTPs.  You are a grown ass man who seems fairly well rounded and developed, so some of these characterizations (particularly the flaws and insecurities) might describe your younger self better than your current personality.  Still, this is the most insightful description of an ENTP I’ve found.  Other great reads on the topic:  a fun one, a brief one, and a thorough one.

 

Anyways, I hope you find this useful, even if it only helps you clarify why you’re NOT an ENTP and are actually something else.  I’d love to hear back from you, and keep up the writing – it’s the best thinking I’ve come across in quite a while.
Cheers,

 

S

Years will pass between meeting new people that I can easily and quickly share ideas with.  They feel like long lost brothers when I meet them; as if we’ve always been friends, but only just now met up.  A long time can pass between meeting or talking, and it’s the same feeling.  We might pick up a conversation thread we left off in mid sentence months later.

I get a feeling of connection and belonging and intimacy and union through sharing ideas.  It’s very important to me, and very rare.  Loneliness seems built right in to me, because my thinking styles and abilities are very rare.  Most people I meet are not interested in or capable of mind sex with me.

That is not arrogance, nor some fault of my attitude.  It is exactly what it is.

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Most people feel camaraderie through shared ideals.  People bond over being into the same sports team!  I’m the exact opposite; talk of sports just makes me feel more alienated, because I could not possibly begin to pretend to give a fuck which side won what point for moving the ball.  If it were not ignorance than it would be insulting that anyone would think that I would care, and playing make believe about it only alienates me from others; the exact opposite of what it does for other people.

People use their biases to form cliques and therefore fit in and feel a sense of belonging.  For me biases only increase alienation.

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This teacher feels frustrated, alone, and alienated

There was a bright intern that I didn’t feel was a good addition to the group because he enjoyed bickering.  He used ideas as a constant game of one-upsmanship.  The other guys quickly started to enjoy his games, and would have fun fighting over who was right.  This guy was famous for never changing his mind.  That would be antithetical to the whole purpose of his game!

 

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The group dynamic shifted away from co-operation, but I don’t think that’s the only reason he got on my nerves.  He didn’t seem to get on other peoples nerves.  I think it’s because my thinking style takes it’s pride and essence as being towards including new ideas into a big picture whole.  While his seemed to be about how to craft a carefully defended viewpoint.
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The ENTP’s life can and will be frustrating for a significant part.

– O2

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Most of us prefer the comfort of the known, and work to protect our ego. Extreme versions of this are knows as the personality developmental disorder Narcissism. A narcissist will lash out in rage when his self conception is threatened. But we are all a bit narcissist.

Those who’se minds constantly seek to fit in NEW information into an ever evolving NEW conception of the world work fundamentally differently. Truth is more important than feeling good about yourself – in fact we derive feeling good about ourselves from our ability to adapt to new truths.

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For us we are not trying stay home and be protected and warm.

We will expat and start up our own new businesses. Comfort of the known is not as important as the potential of the unknown.