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Religious people have control and shadow issues

Posted by xsplat on December 29, 2012

Phinn said: There’s something about the religious mindset that fosters your (Matt King A’s) kind of hypocrisy. I think it comes from the incredible amount of double-think that is required to maintain religious thinking. Religious thinking depends entirely on splitting and projection — a constant monitoring of one’s self, a complete inability to cope with most of one’s emotions, and the relentless rejection of most of your own mind as “bad” and intolerable.

Rather than accept and cope with it, the religious mindset requires that this part of the self be denied and compartmentalized through all sorts of endless magical labels and other defense mechanisms.

Doing this every day for 20 or 30 years makes a person highly adept at self-ignorance and self-contradiction.

Pointing this out usually provokes a highly religious person into a rage outburst, because the rage is just another defense mechanism, designed to help keep the lid on all that repression. Taking that away from a religious person is like taking away someone’s oxygen.

Magic doesn’t exist, Matt, except as a figment of the imagination. Reality may be messy sometimes, but you really don’t have to be afraid of it.

Fundamentalists freak me out. Not only because they are so eager to invest authority with scary powers, or even because they tend to have an excessive need for “purity”, but because they have shadow and projection issues. They have not made friends with their inner demons, and so when confronted with them project them out onto the outside world. “my last girlfriend was cheating on a dude in the suburbs and her three kids to sneak up and fuck me ten times a week and YOU guys shouldn’t have sex outside of committed marriage! YOU guys are nihilists! And narcissistic parasites!”

The internal empathy and compassion is so lacking that the hatred gets misdirected onto everyone else. Instead of just making friends with the human condition and not holding unreasonable standards, they have to compartmentalize good and evil, and then project out the evil onto others. “Do not forgive them Father, for it was not I that sinned, it was them!”

Fundamentalists view more porn than other groups. The hypocrasy is scary. I mean really scary. These people will scape goat anything that reminds them of their own inner natures.

Then all the while they are shitting and pissing on the world, think that they are holier than thou, and are actually being benevolent and helpful.

A bunch of downers.

Snoeperd said: To me all people who try to get other people to conform to some preconceived standards are the same people: people that can’t come to terms with the fact that their own individual lives aren’t that important and try to gain power by threatening others with unhappiness so that they act, not in accord with own interests but with the interests of the “condemner”.

9 Responses to “Religious people have control and shadow issues”

  1. Johnny Caustic said

    I’m not sure this has much to do with religion. I think you hit the bullseye when you said “holier than thou”.

    Christians can be holier than thou, but so can Communists, and these days secular leftist equalitarians are the holiest-than-thou-of-all. Wherever you witness an accelerating competition to be the holiest, you know you’ll find the greatest evils there shortly thereafter. Fundamentalist Christians can’t think rationally about sexuality, and equalitarians can’t think rationally about sex, in the sense of male/female differences. Or race or class or IQ or economic productivity. In the holiness contest, the most extreme wins, ergo the most irrational.

    For what it’s worth, real Christians are supposed to be humble, not holier-than-thou. To be the last to throw the first stone. To have empathy for the sinner. Perhaps most Christians don’t think this way, but most secular leftist equalitarians don’t really believe in equality for white men, either. Every man who relies on an ideology to buttress his feeling of moral superiority will be corrupted by it.

  2. rufus3698 said

    “Religious people have control and shadow issues”
    Define “religious”. Also cite the studies – there should be more than one – you use to back up your claims and validate the statistics and confidence intervals in the studies. Also the religious and political history of the authors of the studies and their publishing history.

    Then we can discuss.

    • xsplat said

      Studies and statistics and confidence intervals are required to make claims?

      Have you heard the notion of the “feminine imperative”? Its an idea that women act in concert to promote female oriented agendas. Rollo at therationalmale.com talks about it a lot. I’m not aware of any double blind studies to support his position, but he makes a very good case. Bob Altmeyer has done years of studies on “The Authoritarians” that might relate tangentially to my claims above, but I’m not aware of any studies that try to correlate the tendency to splitting and projecting and boundary issues with religious fundamentalists. I wonder if anyone has ever studied such things.

      I get your point that studies back up viewpoints to make them more credible, but it sounds like you go too far – as if studies are what makes facts facts. A lack of studies is a weak argument against a point of view.

      Anyway, I also get your other point. My statement was similar to saying “Motorcycles are loud”. Yes, not all motorcycles are loud. It’s more accurate to say that loud motorcycles are loud.

      You’ll notice in my post I did use the qualifying term “fundamentalists”. So maybe the qualifying phrase to tack on should be “holier than though fundamentalists have control and shadow issues”

      And I agree with the comment above by Johnny Caustic that notices that splitting, projection, and boundary issues happen to non-religious people and other groups.

      The point of my article wasn’t to say that religion is bad, or that religious people are bad, or that all religious people are the same. It was to point out that the in your face holier than thou complainers who are trying to convert other people away from sin are most often splitting, projecting and have serious boundary issues and are altogether a negative influence. A bunch of ineffective whining and complaining downers with an overblown opinion of the power of the holy thoughts that course through their not-so holy heads. Jackboots for Christ.

  3. Jeff said

    You conflate “religious” with “fundamentalism”, the latter being a subset of a subset of a subset of the western part of a major religion.

    Methinks you know not of what you speak.

    • xsplat said

      You are correct to make the differentiation, and I agree it was sloppy writing on my part if it led you to believe that I conflate the two terms.

      But then again, everybody wants to be the exception. Oh – that’s only the wrong type of religious people who do that.

      I struggle with solipsism and not being able to put myself into other peoples shoes. I’m over-confident about the superiority of my attitudes. We all do these things. It’s human nature to have these major cognitive errors. It’s just that for many religion acts as a crutch specifically designed to bolster the worst types of cognitive errors and solidify them into habits. Ritualized habits. Habits supported and reinforced by their peers.

      Some people use religion as a barrier to humility, acceptance, gratitude, grace, empathy, kindness, forgiveness, curiosity, change, and most especially to rational thought.

      It’s as common as loud motorcycles, and it’s what stands out so much as to be what many of us notice. We don’t notice the quiet ones.

  4. Aurini said

    My own observations as a young man, was that the hardcore Christians seemed to feel that – since they were ‘saved’ – that they could get away with being jerks the rest of the time. OvercomingBias posted a study showing that people have set ‘morailty levels’ – ie, if they gave charitably at the office, they’re less likely to give elsewhere – and they’re more likely to commit a ‘minor’ sin immediately afterwards (donate to charity, steal a candy bar). This would certainly explain the behaviour I’ve witnessed “I went to church and did my good works for the week – now I’ll behave like a beast.”

  5. ghbiu89 said

    Fundamentalists view more porn than other groups.

    Not true. Young men (whether Hispanic, Black or White or secular or whatever) are more likely to be addicted to such things. Porn and video games remember.

    • xsplat said

      My memory of that statistic is so vague that I’m not sure of the source. Did I make it up? I think I got it from somewhere.

      It’s a bit of a sneaky trick though to delineate the group of youth to compare with the group of fundamentalists. If you are going to compare fundamentalists of all ages to other groups, you’d have to compare them to other groups that also were not age segregated. Of course younger people are more horny and would watch more porn.

      Hey, why don’t we just delineate the group of those who rate themselves as extremely horny all the time and who don’t have any sexual outlet. They’d watch more porn, thus invalidating my statement, and thus throwing catchup all over my whole post, making the whole thing invalid. Right?

      By the way, please don’t upvote your own comments.

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