Dealing with psychopathology
Posted by xsplat on February 12, 2012
A pathological behavior is a maladaptive behavior that gets the person the opposite of what they are seeking. People who have strong habits of pathological behaviors are unable to learn the simple cause an effect. They will drop the same hammer and expect that this time it will land on the ceiling.
Sometimes a shit test is a test of mans selfishness and strength, to see if he is strong enough to stand up to her. But other times, and sometimes at the same time, it is a genuine battle for power. Sometimes the woman wants the man to give an inch, then another inch, until she has conquered his territory and resources. Until he is her monogamous little bitch who snivels for reassurance from her when she shows displeasure and is a slave to her moods. Women want not only their men to pass shit tests and to stand up for themselves, thus proving that they are strong and capable protectors, they also want men to fail the shit tests, and to hand over their power to the woman, so that they have whipped a man into a provider slave and thus acquired his resources and monogamous commitment.
Sometimes when a girl is seeking reassurance of commitment and that the man values her, she’ll seek negative attention. Rather than start an interesting conversation, suck his dick, or otherwise give positive feedback to the man in exchange for positive feedback, she’ll do something annoying. She may not consciously realize that it’s annoying, but that would not be because she doesn’t realize it, it would be because she’s not conscious. She will deep down know that she is being annoying. Maybe she’ll think she’s being cute-annoying. But sometimes she’ll have pulled the same stupid annoying trick enough times and been told enough times to cut it out that there is no room for doubt – she is deliberately trying to piss you off.
There is no solution to this quandary. There is nothing the man can do. It’s a catch 22. If you give her the positive reinforcement she seeks and make her feel valued and cared for, you’ve failed the shit test, and she’ll just move on to conquering the next inch of your manhood. If you ignore her irritating behavior she’ll just amp it up until she gets a response. If you give her 100 times worse negative response than she was asking for, you’ll temporarily curtail her bullshit, she’ll respect you as a man, and for a while she’ll be on good behavior. But you just wasted minutes or hours of your life trying to make someone who has a deep seated mental pathology start acting like a sane person.
Sometimes a girl will deliberately refuse to understand you. Explain in perfectly clear and simple language the simplest concept – you know that I don’t like that, so when you do that, it means to me that you are trying to piss me off, don’t do that – and she will pretend as if she is completely incapable of understanding. This is of course another ruse to further piss you off. Or perhaps it’s just a pathological deflection of responsibility and an active anti-self-awareness module in hyperdrive. Regardless, it’s fucking irritating and it’s sick and broken. Even if you do work out the inner motivations of such behaviors, it’s only insight into something deeply ugly and useless.
The girl wants attention – and at this point is settling for negative attention.
Something is broken in her, and the wiring is so twisted up in her brain that trying to interact with her will only cause short circuits and sparks. There is no benefit to anyone. It’s a lose lose situation.
Sometimes people have broken, unfixable wiring. It isn’t a matter of a normal workable level of neurosis, but is an unmanagable matter of pathology and abuse. Someone with Borderline Personality Disorder will not be able to respect anyone that would love her, and will sabotage any relationship with constant tests of commitment and power. There are other psychopatholagies that hold the same catch 22. If you do the right thing, you lose, if you do the wrong thing, you lose.
The solution?
Next.
Update: Went for a long walk on the beach, returned and told her that I’m going to move into a hotel for a while. The girl fed me cabbage for breakfast for the 7th time, after receiving extreme heavy grief the previous three times over the course of months, and gentle warnings the three times before. And lately I’ve been pointing out her often deliberately being irritating. But the worse thing is her denial. The sky could fall as a giant pancake on top of her head and she’d deny it. Reality doesn’t exist if it’s inconvenient. Moving out. Actually, I have three apartments at this point, and nothing but options.
Greasy cabbage and fried liverworst for breakfast. Big steaming plate of passive aggression. Done.
Update Mar 22: I had another bout of the woman deliberately seeking negative attention the other night. I finally snapped and told her that she wins; she wanted me to be angry and she made me angry. I told her that something deep inside her was broken, and that she craved drama and negative attention. I gave her a few minutes of the stern talking to she craved, while I dressed. But instead of hanging out and letting her soak in a shared environment of angst, I did what is now my new habit, and left for another abode for the night and the next day. While she may thrive in a sick and twisted way on negative attention, she feels genuine pain on lack of attention. I also didn’t answer text messages while gone, no matter how mournful.
Here are some interesting thoughts on the dynamic from Aarons Holy Mountain:
One is that you’re simply dealing with an emotionally unstable nutter who needs to project her internal chaos on the external world, for that gives it a narrative. If she creates chaos it makes her feel like that’s what is causing her internal state, even though the truth is it’s the other way around.
The other reason is that drama is the only medium through which she can feel the relationship. It’s like how majorly depressed people experience anhedonia and the only way they can feel anything is by cutting themselves. Everything is dead inside so they resort to creating feeling in the absolute crudest way possible – pulling a blade across their skin.
Women who create this sort of drama are narcissists. Now we know all women are a bit crazy and dramatic from time to time and all men have been baffled by it at some point, but not all women are the kinds we call, perhaps, a psycho bitch.
Since narcissists feel inherently alone and like they can’t connect with people, they need a higher level of stimulation to feel connection. Simply being in association, talking as people talk, reciprocating as people reciprocate, laughing as people laugh, doesn’t feel like much to them. They need more. In the way a majorly depressed person needs to feel a blade on their skin to feel alive, a narcissist needs conflict and abuse to feel a relationship. Conflict is the crudest and most direct connection.
I like the theory of needing to externalize inner chaos as outer drama. I also sometimes get the feeling that some girls just don’t like ease and contentment – they especially don’t like you being at ease and content.
I’ve noticed that when my mind is filled with grumbling over some dame, I’m less interested in fucking other girls. Because I don’t feel positive inside. I’m not up-beat. I’m not happy with happyness to share. I don’t feel seductive nor inclined to seduce. Instead I’m in the mood to get over the girl, before moving on.
I wonder if some girls deliberately take the spring out of your step, just to get you too off balance to be seductive to others.
What keeps me from dating other girls right now is simple poor health. I only have the energy for about one good fuck in me, per day, and a little bit of work. Other than that I sleep and lay about a lot. Still make it to the gym though. I expect this to change within two months, and expect to then physically have other life options.
In the meantime, this way of managing the woman seems to largely “work”. It’s the third time I’ve stepped out to my other place. She cooks well and is mostly well behaved, and she’s still hot, and she still keeps me decently fucked.
One reason I like to blog about such events is that I’m sure other men are going through similar. Over a quarter of all young women are mentally ill.
Doug1 said
Things seemed to going so well with this girl a while back.
What happened?
xsplat said
Maybe I’m just getting bored and extra irritated? Or maybe she was irritating all along and now after 1.5 years and the love and lust have worn off, there isn’t much left to keep me interested.
She has her endearing points. Worked very hard on cooking today, and told me that after she dies she hopes to meet me in heaven and marry me.
But something is wrong with her. Somethings. I’ve been able to be blind to those things, but now, as is common, even little things are irritating. So you can imagine my level of irritation at big things.
I’m hoping stepping out will ease up the irritations, so I can again at least enjoy what I used to enjoy from her. Cause I can’t handle just one girl anymore – way too restrictive now. The time limit for that, with her, has expired.
cindy said
i’m also a girl so i understand what you mean by her trying to be ‘annoying’… sometimes we girls just want some tender attention from our man.
the man i’m with is currently dating more than one woman(other than myself) and i know it… but i still want to be with him despite knowing that it may always be this way. he is like you, an alpha male. and i know one woman can never be enough for him and i accept it. it really is in a man’s nature to have many women.
but for us girls, our man is the center of our universe and sometimes if he is tired when he gets home or just spent time with another girl, we get jealous and feel neglected. i used to try and be ‘cute annoying’ like your girlfriend, but my man didn’t take any of it and basically punished me straightaway..i have learnt my lesson and am trying to mature as a woman.
now i know the best and safest way to get my man’s attention is to be sweet and pleasant to him when he comes home. and once he relaxes on the couch, i get on my knees and ask him politely if i can suck his dick. and by pleasing him well, i am rewarded with his affection and attention. i feel content and best of all there is no more need for attention seeking behavior.
of course every man is different, but perhaps your girlfriend should also try and improve for her man?
Snoeperd said
Perfect example of female privilege imho; guy sacrifices himself and is a “real man” by doing so, read the comment section
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ideologist said
“sabotage any relationship with constant tests of commitment and power” any chance xsplat you would write a post on this or expand a little further, ive just got out of a ltr and cant help but think somethink was not quite right. Power plays as in she can do anything she wants and without justification but if he does anything its the cold shoulder and days/weeks of psychological torture.
xsplat said
There is a sweet spot of relationship happiness where the woman acquiesces to the man’s dominance and rule. For that to happen she must be happy with the level and quality of attention that she is getting, and trust in his leadership abilities.
Even after that happens, women will, to greater and lesser degrees, test the man.
But there is where things can veer from usual neurosis to unusual neurosis. Some girls emotions are not just run of the mill female unstable, but are whacko-female unstable. A little bit of anxiety that she is feeling will compel her to try to make you feel bad. If she’s feeling jealous, she’ll try to make your life a miserable living hell. If she’s feeling like she’s not getting enough attention, she’ll try to make you feel annoyed to the breaking point. It’s a pathological lack of diplomacy, and counterproductive habits of seeking negative attention. Jealousy can cause men to leave the relationship. She is trying to protect it, but can wind up completely breaking it. Seeking negative attention can cause him to want to give her zero attention, and need a rest from her just to get his nerves settled down. And then the next time he sees her he’ll have negative associations with her company. Better she get a hobby and learn to deal with her anxiety without giving him grief for it.
Sometimes the girl will even try to gain the upper hand and undo her submission. For instance she’ll tell the guy that she’ll leave if he doesn’t marry her. This is her trying to set the rules and boundaries of engagement. Trying to gain the ultimate in female hand.
My girl is in no end of confusion about the fact that I refuse. I’ve lately even told her outright that I will not marry her. Ever. Not just that I’ll wait and see, or that I’m not sure – but no. Not going to happen. So her ultimatum has been she’ll leave in about 3 years, once she turns 25. I stay silent. At least once a week she’ll have a freak out and remind me about this. She’s trying to gain hand, trying to force lifetime monogamy, trying to get the relationship on her rules – and most of all trying to have a kid and a supporter. And when I refuse, it leaves her gasping. Her little blackmail gambit didn’t work. She threatened to leave, unless I complied, and I refused to comply – but actually she doesn’t want to leave at all.
All her little tricks to gain hand and compliance and relationship dominance are failing. In fact soon I’ll be seeing other girls. She want’s to have some sort of threat she can use against me to stop this, but has none.
She has a carrot, and no stick. And I’m getting bored of her carrot.
I treat her jealous outbursts harshly, and while it’s a drain and a pain to even have to bother, the conditioning has had some effect. However her jealousy is still all but uncontrollable. She is able to do a better job at moderating her response – but it’s an enormous struggle for her – and a struggle that she insists I participate in. No man likes to have relationship talks. So I don’t.
I’m a great advocate of creating your woman through feedback and training. But we don’t completely control our environment and outcomes. The girl will bring her own temperament, style, and abilities. Sometimes that makes for a great match – just the right dog with just the right trainer. But you can only make a high quality pigs ear purse out of a pigs ear.
Thanks for the inspiration to write more about my personal dirty laundry. You’ll have to go into more detail about your particular situation in order for me to try to talk about that.
the ideologist said
Very interesting stuff, well its was a year ltr which ended recently and im just trying to learn for the future.
to give some info on the girl, mother ruled the roost, difficult to remove this inculctaed conditioning i guess, some of the events that occured, severral occasions even if we were hanging out if she didnt get her way a argument occured even something as minimal as drving to some where, at a friends wedding we atteded she spent the day telling the wedding planner what to do and organising the event pretty much, even kissing id get the ill meet you half way stuff, more power plays. i cancelled a couple of hang outs and serious attitude cold shoulder and argument ensued.
there comes a point where enough is enough and if she has to control everything let her find someone else. I lead a great show and told her on several occasions to join me on where i was going with my life. \i like the idea of feedback and training its similar to something im working on at the moment Lewin action research model its usually the resistence to change that causes the biggest issues,
“There is a sweet spot of relationship happiness where the woman acquiesces to the man’s dominance and rule” Im guessing even the ideological utopia in sexual polarity where the both are in constant dis equilibrium cant save every situation
Really enjoy the blog
Socialkenny said
Quite a quagmire when dealing with a chic in such a state.Anyway,this is a deep post.
Aaron said
Not sure if you saw this: http://n.pr/wI2o5H
xsplat said
It’s interesting that a psychologist is documenting it as “a real thing” that women like to make men angry.
But there is still the little problem that it’s fucking maladaptive, sick, and pathological.
Even if a great percentage of women act that way.
Men need tools to deal. Sometimes we must actually hit. Sometimes yell. Sometimes – and this is my case now – use the ultimate punishment. Disappear for a while.
Never can we just play along and let her get her little fix, nor can we just ignore her mental abuse as if a stoic attitude is not a self denying perversion.
Aaron said
Wait so, why have you not left for good? I’m genuinely asking why because I know there has to be a reason. Often the reason is logistical, but it seems that isn’t the case here. Is it just feelings?
xsplat said
She occasionally tries to make me angry, which as the article you referenced says is common. I’ve had better behaved women, and I’ve had worse. She’s mostly manageable. One of the ways I’m trying to work with it is to up the play drama – today I play raped her a bit, even thought that’s really not her kink. Gave her her first mild slap on the face during sex yesterday. Immediate flood down below, but her brain was shocked. I show physical and emotional dominance and attention throughout the day, in small spurts. Even with all that I expect her to eventually be a little shit again, and when she is I’ll just take a little holiday – maybe a fuck holiday next time. Actually my biggest complaint with her is plain old boredom.
I think I mentioned that my plan is not to leave, but to start dating other girls at the same time. What’s holding me back is simply poor health. I have the logistics and contacts ready to go.
She’s still generally good enough to hang around with.